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Look for which it stands one nation under
God indivisible with liberty and justice

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for all. Time everybody I'm glad to see
you here and those who are watching

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tonight's Council and I'd like to start
tonight's meeting with the roll call.

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Thank you. And the option of
their agenda so moved second on

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favor and I. Wonder or the
communication number want to have

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a few slips from different
people Peter Stone or.

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I. Will let you know what help.

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Thank you very much you have three minutes.
For communication three minutes three

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to three minutes so yes of.
Course Apollo. I only will

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know when he'll know what I. Know. Excuse
me would you mind if you speak in my

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microphone please. And maybe one
moment please the city clerk might be

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able to provide the overhead so that we
could all see because material we don't

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have enough copies there.
And well I guess. So

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can you put this on over here I think is

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a color over here on. We

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would start here three minutes as soon
as she's ready How about that. Yes

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thank.

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You.

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I don't only. Small and thus rebelling
and. They sure and the samurai

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have new and recently the city has put
double double lines or so no one can turn in

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or out of this building and are about six
mall were houses in that row and no one

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could turn it around so I wanted to city
hall over to the city engineer and they

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gave me this. Picture of the
color picture and they told

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me to write

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a letter to the city engineer which I did
and that's the nut company there and the

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city engineer kind of disagreed with me
he said that that wasn't. Wasn't legal

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before but I built

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a building twenty nine years ago and we've
always turn America real enhanced so now

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with

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a double double lines no truck can go in
or out very well and the only way you can

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come in from cell city you have to drive
down to one county road make a U.

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Turn and come back and if you want to go
north you have to go to San Marino Avenue

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and these are old and thus real buildings
so that there are service by trucks so

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you have to go up several happened with the
truck. At through the residential area

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past the school I come back to the old
county road to go north and that I think is

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not not

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a good thing to go to the residential
area so. My building right now is pretty

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useless nobody can get in or out
and the city engineer came up of

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a proposal that could make a U.

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Turn lane but it will only work for
passenger cars not for trucks so we

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need something more

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a truck could get in or out. OK
So that's my problem thank you

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I will check to see if the staff could
make. To give you an answer is there

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something I have done sir or you're done
yet thank you thank you very much for

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coming. I think the best thing to do
would be to just bring this back as

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a response in a couple weeks be
can hear you to. Bring it back in

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a couple weeks as a response Thank
you sir so if see if we can find

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a solution you know. I'm not sure you can
really you may have already looked at it

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you know just problems.
And if if I may if I'm

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looking at the video you are
intersection and I know that there's

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a lot of trucks that use the buildings there
if there is some way for the trucks to

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utilize that intersection somehow
go off and if there is a U.

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Turn capability after making a
right northbound into the V.W.

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Our area in other words looking for solutions
that may not be in the public right

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of way on base or above are the
only. OK thank you very much

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Mr Schuyler for coming
here. OK my next I.D.M.

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Is from Denver Del ward.

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You.

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Letter start the timer to.

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OK Thank you madam mayor
council members last July

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a resident of Brisbane was taking her
grandson to Crocker Park to see frogs and she

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came upon the city hired workers we were
asking the environment to shreds and this

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was something that was in Sam in two times
the outcome of that experience has been

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nearly a year of habitat restoration by

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a dozen dedicated members of the public and
we had help with the city as well many

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volunteers traveled many miles
I'm sorry I am watching you.

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To help Brisbane be the jewel that it is
the environmental jewel that we are the

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work by amazingly dedicated folks has
included remove all of invasive weeds and

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planting areas that have gone bare on May
twentieth much of our work was dashed by

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a city employee weed
whacker. This is the area.

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In car park near Cypress lane. This is it

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before and. This is an after.

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The seat city needs to have better
educated employees better weight control

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policies and are sensitive habitat areas
and we need an environmental study

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immediately before everything is gone in
the interest of wild land fire protection

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we are killing everything around us the
loss of trees residents report the loss of

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hawks and other raptors. These
are the animals in that

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area the frogs. Loss of grasses
equate to loss of butterflies.

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This is actually San
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a rare plant that when we started bringing
the habitat back they started coming

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back. The loss of shade and
covers the loss of habitat to

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snakes and reptiles.
That's even though it's

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a common garter snake it still
requires happened. In relying on it.

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Go for six so true. And
then the little frog.

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I talked with the county mosquito abatement
person who said that we have done

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a good job that we've created an
environment that didn't need any mosquito

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abatement so far we. Shouldn't
fear keeping though

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those wetlands wet and I'm speaking of the
entire ring around Crocker Park goes up

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west hill and down along the south and we
should look for opportunities to improve

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this habitat and

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a sincere environmental policy to
support it this is the third year of

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a drought animals are suffering we cannot
have the environment destroyed in the

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meantime and I would appreciate the
city appropriating funds to make

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a better environmental protections which
I'm saying that initially starts with the

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study of our. Resources here
thank you very much very much.

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Appreciate that comment on. Far as what
happened in what we're going to probably

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start off and then Randy can
probably embellish this

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a little bit I think actually Dana's
comments illustrate the problem that we've

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been having and that is that we have

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a contract with Mountain Watch Zambrano
Matt March and Ken McIntyre is our point of

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contact and that is the person who needs
to be talking directly with Randy bro as I

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understand all that Randy get into this
in more detail is that they were working

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out that this area was outside of the area
that we had agreed to work with them in

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and that was where the the potential
conflict is this from the staff perspective

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were more than willing to work with MT
watch through Mr MacIntyre to identify

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a larger area in which they could work and
we've been provide we provide tools we

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provide you know the management oversight
of it and they can do do all the work and

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they do have done a great
job but it really needs

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a communication directly from their
organization to the appropriate person in our

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organization which is our public works
director but I'll let Randy respond be on

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that. Well placed absolutely correct
I mean philosophically we we have no

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objections to to the type of activity to
do groups to done out there and I think to

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support the stewards comments I think the
area that they have worked in where they

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do have existing right of entry agreement
with the city which is immediately south

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of the building at one hundred
Cypress it's a remnant of

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a creek I think is the term
we've agreed on and it's done

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a fabulous job it's really quite a bit of

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a nice habitat restoration for native plants
and such is going on but unfortunately

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what I think happened then I haven't chased
this completely to ground is that it

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appears that the very well meaning folks
who were out there donating their time

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extending their work outside of the area
that was identified in the right of entry

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they went you said would be west of
Cyprus and I don't know whether that was

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communicated same broom out and watching
the same broom I watched him communicate

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that to me so I couldn't communicate it
down to my staff who. Communicated to the

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contractors who do the we debate and so we
had no idea that any work had been done

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there and unfortunately when we debate went
through is as all of the homeowners are

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doing it just happened so
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a conversation and being with Mr MacIntyre
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particular area are there other
opportunities I think we've worked pretty

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extensively with Canon

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a couple of the other folks are identified
on staff routinely and in email just

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went out today we've got we became aware
of another contractor working out by the

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one hundred Cypress place so we sent an
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out to the to the individuals kind of
the lead for the volunteers as James

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Catherine McKissic fellow and we're happy
to do that and by fact because we had

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some cost savings I had asked the council
a number of months ago to approve

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a check and we sent Sam on watch

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a check for some of their tools to acknowledge
the fact that that I actually had

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some labor cost savings
as I don't have to have

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a contractor so we're trying to work
together and we just I think we just need to

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fix the communication lines and I think
sometimes folks well meaning working

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outside there don't realize how challenging
it is to manage an organization that

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you know I mean just in my case has fourteen
departments and that the information's

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really got to come to me so that I can
funnel it down and so that we can change

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entry agreements and fix so we're not trying
to be obstructionist where we're happy

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to work with folks we just need to make
sure the information comes back and the

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people who are signed on to the agreements
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Good it sounds like you're trying to come
up with something maybe perhaps with

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mountain watch maybe you can come up with
some kind of identifiers that they work

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with some of the folks that work outside
of those boundaries I certainly support

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you know. Habitat reconstruction in fact
in fact can happen and sure and in fact

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after hearing about this had already gone
out and pricing on some six by twelve

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inch Brown signs you could not and I would
state that say habitat restoration and

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progress please do not disturb so. You
know we're more with it to and we don't if

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people are taking the trouble in and they
ever do this it's important value in the

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community we don't want to see it destroyed
either and I think on fourth. As we

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debate Mary we had that happen it's there
are one or two other areas where we had

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a private party went out and thought
they were doing some good on

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a public facility and what they thought
were weeds turned out to be native plants

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that had been planted out
there so that there's

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a lot of information and education that
goes on but like I said I'll try it with Mr

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Macintyre and Will were appropriate will
post some of the signs and that'll be so

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they'll be

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a good visual indicator to to all the
parties involved that you know maybe you

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should be just moaning through here quickly.
Thank you sir thank you Dana thank you

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for bringing this try tension because
we get so busy but our own lives and we

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really sometimes we might not notice the
little creatures so I appreciate that

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thank you thank you and

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a spicy. Good

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evening console city and visitors you did
say thirty minutes and restrict it to

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three minutes OK I'll make it quick
in front of you hopefully you have

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a water bill of mine which is for

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a vacant house and it's what eighty four
dollars and fifty nine cents what I wish

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to bring up real quick when I bought my
house here thirty years ago not knowing any

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better my wife and I overpaid to Brisbane
over to about two thousand dollars we

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would have never known except for that
my wife had met the neighbors and

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a neighbor's were discussing the water
went up for the sewer went up from fifteen

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to twenty dollars and my wife's going
twenty dollars each forty they got into an

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argument so they all went House came out
with their invoice or the bill whatever

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you want to call it and we were paying
double all those years to Graham two

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thousand dollars roughly I would have never
known it had the bill this is for Mr

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Show and your half of the bill said it they
were both me for duplex. And it simply

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said duplex that first bill I would have
nailed it instantly and gone down to city

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hall and say hey we're not a duplex
for a single family residence it was

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a nightmare I had to get

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a building inspector I was getting nowhere
with the water department I finally said

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I want to talk to the boss I was told the
boss is tough you don't want to meet him

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her rather She's an attorney and I basically
said I don't care if it's God I want

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to talk to the boss it turned out to be
Robin Leiter who was very professional very

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understanding my wife had the proof
that we'd been overpaid it was

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a human error somewhere maybe when the
city went to computers that had I my wife

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never talked to the neighbors I'd
still be paying double I called

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a single mother schoolteacher that I bought
the house from she had been paid for

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who knows how long so had is simply said
if I'm paying for an apartment house an

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industrial park hotel

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a motel it would have been nailed instantly
I don't know and so the city still not

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doing it I suggest they should when I was
in business and I sent you an invoice it

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was down to every single item you were
getting billed for. So for what that's worth

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. I think you should state on the invoice
what we are paying for and it turned

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out to make

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a long story short after bickering back
and forth and so forth with the water

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department Robin was very fine we sat
down we can to an agreement basically we

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agreed the city owed me the money plus
interest over all those years and I said I'm

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a fair man I said I'll tell you what Robin
you don't send me another bill until

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it's neutral ice and we'll forget the
interest and that's what we did so I didn't

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get a bill to write on how long but I
think it's a valid point there could be

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a lot of little old ladies and
men here you don't know what

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a bill is all you know is you get

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a bill from the city where there be garbage
water whatever you pay it how else

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would you why would you compare it. Now
leading into that you know I'm almost

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through is the garbage cheaters in this
town the leeches on the garbage to day

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coming home I stopped for

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a pedestrian crossing the street to throw
garbage into his neighbor's garbage can

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this is been going on for years Michael
barns I brought it up to probably three

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years ago Mike you were mare I brought it
up to you I ran into you it came our with

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your son we discussed it you would talk
to Barbara Bernardine at the scavengers I

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waited an appropriate time I
called Barbara burn her D.D.

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Who I know and she said she can't do

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a thing about it it has to come from the
city I assumed wrongly that you and the

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scavengers carried the ball and nailed
these people that for years for years for

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years have been not even having garbage
cans obviously not paying for it and

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putting it in the neighbors or the city
garbage cans something's got to be done the

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computers can talk to each other
the scavengers can print out bam

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a list whoever we give a
water bill to a P.G. And E.

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Bill it can be cross referenced that computers
can talk to each other it's easy to

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set it up I was in business the computers
can do it or have them print out

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a list we print out

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a list and I'll double cross reference but
it's got to get stopped when I you know

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Joanne is one Sambro She's ninety eight
years old the Catholic Church I didn't know

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it was re my doorbell it was

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a sister from the church and she said
Dennis I understand you like to help people

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and I said yes if I can be happy to physical
mental whatever they said could you go

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down the street and take Johannes garbage
which I did and I asked you no I don't

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want to alarm this lady who is this person
coming into the yard when I went to the

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our defense was ready to fall off the
gate I know carpenter I mentioned it to

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a few people through the church they got

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a contractor to fix the gate.
And it made me realize here's

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a ninety eight year old woman widowed
paid for garbage I've seen her sweep the

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street I stop want to help or as you say
no no no dentist No no I can do it I can

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do it and we've got freeloaders in this
town I can't mention any names I would love

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to mention names and addresses and I'm
requesting that you stop the treaty I am

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also requesting you penalize them because
they know better and if you want to go

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far enough if the police chiefs here Mr
Hitchcock get prison stripes throw on him

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and have him sweep our
streets so they put them on

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a bulletin board on the hair pin turn but
they should be nailed if I were younger

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and gave me permission I'd nail so
so good Mr Mr I see when you tell me

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summarize because I'm getting distracted
all the lovely you have all the way lovely

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stories that here showcase what I want to
make it I like this and here are three

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years but I'll finish it by saying that
I've talked to Daly City we don't have an

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anonymous phone number there's no one to
call anonymously like you know catch the

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bad guys you call the cops I think we
should have an anonymous number and

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a contact number so that's it I hope somebody
here hopefully you Maire will follow

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through on it thank you for and publishing
the names of the objects so we can walk

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on the street OK thank you thank
you very much. Mr MILLER.

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Everybody. No props. I just been working
really hard clearing brush and stuff

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around my house and and so you would you
give your name full name for the record

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I'm sorry is Roy Mahler with three thirty
eight King's Road and where the neighbors

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got this like one hundred one hundred
fifty foot eucalyptus tree and you know I

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know of if it if that thing catches fire
it doesn't matter what I've done so I know

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you guys are trying to reduce the fire
hazards and that's one of them and I hope

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you can take

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a look at it and maybe help get rid of
it. Thank you very much Mr Merrick you

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shared your visit Thanks. We.

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Thank you I work with staff
thank you very much. OK Terry

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O'Connell.

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It evening Terry O'Connell Brisbane resident.
With the withdrawal of application

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for three twenty five alley drive I asked
the council to require revisit the

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request made by the citizens of Brisbane
to enact an immediate moratorium on

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freight forwarding. While we seek an
ordinance to limit the percentage of freight

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forwarding in Crocker Park to ten percent
and eliminating it altogether as an

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option for any future development in the
quarry I am requesting you and gender wise

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the moratorium request for the next city
council meeting and thank you very much

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thank you very much Terry. I would
work with the staff. Thank you.

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I believe there is somebody else instead
wanted to make comment where you are being

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at me he wanted to make
comment one two OK.

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QUESTION OK. If they actually withdraw their
application or is it just about exams

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and going ahead your name
Robert Robert Howard sorry.

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Would you please ask all the questions
that you want to ask and Rick you know the

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question is this is it just that they're
not going ahead with the Fed Ex to vomit

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or has the application been withdrawn
does that mean in future if

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the come back with combat and want to do
something there though have to go through

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the whole process again. Or not I
understand they're afraid forwarders relax

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only five X.

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Totally rejoined application and they're
going to stay where they are yes but

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that's what I understand but the permission
that was given them by the Planning

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Commission that no one void now I'm going
to refer to their secure tourney to

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respond to this. Well I apologize I don't
know the details of this application of

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blues but it was maybe. Planning
Director death thanks for the chair they

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made a letter. Backing up

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a telephone conversation that they had
with staff indicating that Fed Ex had made

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the decision to stay where they were.
And that means that application is and

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effectively. Gone withdrawn
it was contingent upon Fed

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Ex being the client that was the primary
change from the previous sample cation in

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which the council said they could resubmit
on the circumstances that represented

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a changed application however once
Fed Ex pulled out. It essentially

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pulled the plug out of the new application
and so it's effectively withdrawn so.

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And the second question so if anybody else
comes they have to go through the whole

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process correct have to start
the process new projects. So.

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Let's quick if it's

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a method to use then they don't write
well at the end of the words if somebody

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really occupies the existing building
there's no review process for that

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essentially unless it was a
freight forwarder So it was

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a for somebody to me and again as
a friend or it requires a C.V.

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Of you know OK When when
did this happen. It

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happened. To. See what happened

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a week ago Friday. And I apologize
I was going to. Remember to

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I was on my way on

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a vacation last week. Just
after I heard the news and I

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forgot to distribute an e-mail citywide so
I did inform the city manager I thought

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we did receive some emails and that's how
I found out about you. The clerk tells me

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it was put in your box but

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a letter from the applicant
and council OK. OK

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thank you very much is there anybody else
that would like to make comments and to

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pump it come yes please.

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I'm mayor and council members. Recently I
was house sitting for someone on one of

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the very narrow streets in Brisbane and
unfortunately got stuck behind the garbage

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truck and I'm sure there's quite

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a few people that have had that experience.
But the main thing that I noticed was

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the driver had to get out at every house
and reposition those bins before he could

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grab them and throw up every house so
maybe something could go out in the water

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bill or something that could educate and
inform the people on where to place those

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bin and it takes over twice as long for
that truck because he has to get out every

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House thank you very much maybe that could
be something and be quick put in our

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block Carola if those bins
are working yeah. I'm sorry

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can you. So we're done with that OK
I'm going to recognize one more to

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follow up and then we have to restart with
the rest of it and if you don't mind us

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please. Matter Mary you just said
something that hits home to me

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I don't live by going online or
to the blog that you still have

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a ton of seniors in his town or even
if I were young I wouldn't be computer

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literate but they put me out of business
I hate them but any rate I think you

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should put stuff in writing if for nothing
else I talked to our chief fire chief

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today in fact about
notifying the seniors of

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a secondary emergency location case fire
with her and I shall but at any rate but

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still keep saying it will be
online it'll be on a blog or

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a police blotter police blotter should be
in print so for what that's worth Thank

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You The older I get the more I agree
with you Dennis thank you. OK

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Somebody out there one more follow
up please please OK Thank you.

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I'm sorry you need so sorry microphone
Robert Howard has been arisen. Because it

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sounds silly garbage whatever they call
themselves they have to fleets of trucks up

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it all to more the use much smaller trucks
of the garage was there I was wondering

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if the city might be able to get them to
use those in some other routes Well you

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know where they were see where I'm Tom
seeing problems where the streets are really

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narrow. OK thank you very much for your
suggestion when we're looking at this

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placement of the truck cans and so for to
see if we can look at that thank you very

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much OK with that if you don't mind I
like to start. Consent Calendar like you.

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And the like to move items. And I would give
you a motion to prove items even the F.

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Second. I I demand is that
the council minutes from

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a third I had the city clerk put together
some changes that should be before you

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throw stones on page three and he was

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a typo just said current members and it
should have said current memberships on

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page five the third paragraph.
Has been revised as

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a council member Barnes noted that grant
funds were acquired by city engineers were

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used to construct among other things the
five hundred thousand dollars bike lane

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along Bay Shore and he advocated retaining
engineers to look for external funding

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sources for other items during that meeting
I was making the point that engineers

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have acquired grant funds that more than
cover their salaries because it was

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a budget discussion about
the value of maintaining

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a city engineering department or the number
of engineers that department and Page

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Six The change it reads now council member
bar and said he was impressed that the

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developers are still pursuing the I.R.

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At the same pace with no signs of
slowing down this was to respond to the

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comment that questioned whether the bailouts
will be developed as planned given the

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earth current economic downturn.
So with that I will give you

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a motion to approve the amended minutes
of May third two thousand and nine second

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round in favor. And B.

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That is the counsel in the minutes of May
fourth just one change and this has to

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do with playground equipment there was

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a. Statement made by the recreation
director skills that reported

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a number of parents have been have complained
about splinters from the old wooden

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play structure and that other components
are beginning to age. I express that my AS

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When my son received splinters from
the play structure I considered it

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a valuable learning opportunity for my son
and the next paragraph it said there was

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a word left out of that paragraph instead
of saying cut back it just said back so

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we've inserted the word cut and if there
know there are changes to those minutes

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I'll give you

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a motion to approve the amended minutes of
May fourth two thousand and nine second

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in favor. And MC on item C.

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It is. A famous resolution and we argued
about last time if you turn to the

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second page of the resolution the
first Be it further resolved clause.

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In the second sentence the word v should
go out so it reads opposes any state

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government proposals. And then in the end
of the third line being the fourth line

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the words public safety should either
go out or there should be another word

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inserted since we're talking about property
tax development tax increment and the

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city's share of transportation
sales tax public safety

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just doesn't fit with those changes
or give emotion to prove I

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can act. Right I'd like to thank staff
for working this resolution that

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thank you share. And I have
visas to prove the proposed

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planting plan for a fire station
eighty one and authorize

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a supplemental appropriation of four
thousand dollars and the general fund I like

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the planting plan I just didn't want to
vote yes on this at this time considering

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our budget constraints I agree with that
and think that we should table it till our

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budgetary. Issues get
better you get three votes.

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Oh we're booked unanimous OK
Thank you. That's OK it was.

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No. Bad. Is now going to go against that.

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I can't make I damn in the agenda is and

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a public hearing to talk about weed
and flammable waste debate meant.

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Staff. Overhearing well.

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All I have to know it's open
it up looked after it for.

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On

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a bill mayor and council members this is
about the we debate an. Ordinance that you

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adopted in April. To go over the
timeline. We sent out an informational

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packet in April. Addressing all
the the debate in process and

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also requirements. And May fourth we had
an inspector go out and inspect all lots

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of residential commercial properties.
By me for three we created

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a database of all the properties first
notices were sent out to all tax holder

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properties. And today is June first for
the public here and if anybody opposes or

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has any questions about this we debate. I

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think that OK So I'm I'm just waiting for
you and you to if you're done with your

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presentation I'm done and from there we'll
go on thank you very much thank you is

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that a question yes one I'm.
Eucalyptus trees aren't considered

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a weed. No this is low lying grass and
bushes you know those are those are

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higher and taller amounts of fuel which
are not as dangerous or for firefighting

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reasons as not as. I guess is for
OSHA says you know we'd sit and brush

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so we have time with bigger timbers and
lumber to deal with it but even though on

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some of the programs we do live in the
trees down so it doesn't travel up and

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ladder up the the trees it's
unfortunate that. Eucalyptus is not

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part of that that they serve their purpose
and they do thank you OK if you can so

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that I have any question and I
would to ask if it was just

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a quick comment. While we were
making the public clean up their

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yards maybe we should soon somebody behind
he goes and clean up that whole lot

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of grass over there is waist high and
that is so you property. And I was to set

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an example I can talk to the city
engineer about that and take

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a look at it just one thing to take
in regards to all this too we do have

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a cheap here is that we have to censor
effect you know areas that we have to abide

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by to. So. You know now

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Fred. OK I do hear yes please sir can you
for come forward and just mention your

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name. Opening public hearing and. I'd
like to open the public hearing.

428
00:42:07,10 --> 00:42:13,95
I my name's Andrew Adams and. I do

429
00:42:13,96 --> 00:42:17,44
handyman work around town and so I'll
contact made to clean the weeds on the

430
00:42:17,45 --> 00:42:21,54
property at seventy five hundred square
feet and it has been cleaned and probably

431
00:42:21,55 --> 00:42:26,78
about twenty years since there but what
I needed to know from Mr Markley who's

432
00:42:27,33 --> 00:42:31,61
gonna make Asian and can answer the
questions that I have for the about the

433
00:42:31,62 --> 00:42:33,99
property is Are Black Berries considered

434
00:42:34,05 --> 00:42:39,34
a fire hazard or would you ask your question
then I would have this and I'd like to

435
00:42:39,35 --> 00:42:41,61
know what every If there
is a part is of is there

436
00:42:41,62 --> 00:42:45,33
a list of plants that I can go by because
there is everything there is not there is

437
00:42:45,34 --> 00:42:49,64
no virtually no weeds it's brush or else I
was flyable some of the dollars last to

438
00:42:49,65 --> 00:42:55,30
be removed but it's big and it's that and
I'd like to know if there's any will

439
00:42:56,48 --> 00:43:01,20
definitely curious things and have to be
done madam mayor might I suggest that I

440
00:43:01,21 --> 00:43:07,76
believe the fire service can come out
actually and talk to those who told me to

441
00:43:07,77 --> 00:43:11,38
interrupt you but I'm more than happy to
meet with you on the side or tonight and

442
00:43:11,39 --> 00:43:15,93
discuss that with you it's in the we debate
notice what they consider well you know

443
00:43:16,04 --> 00:43:22,90
flammable weeds OK thank you thank you
very much appreciate the work you do to

444
00:43:22,91 --> 00:43:29,78
keep his bank clean We appreciate that
thank you OK I saw somebody else and I

445
00:43:29,79 --> 00:43:36,34
meant corner one two three no more
OK motion to close public hearing.

446
00:43:37,60 --> 00:43:44,52
On in favor. Council. I guess we're

447
00:43:44,53 --> 00:43:47,70
supposed to give direction to the Air
Force but officer to clear the properties

448
00:43:47,71 --> 00:43:52,74
that have not complied with the notice
them. And when would that commence.

449
00:43:54,56 --> 00:44:00,55
That as of now just we have about ninety
I counted ninety nine that were given

450
00:44:00,79 --> 00:44:05,47
first notices now I believe with all the
phone calls are perceived most of the

451
00:44:05,48 --> 00:44:11,13
subjects are very interested in cleaning
and clear and there are there are lots I

452
00:44:11,14 --> 00:44:16,72
think once we start on June ninth that week
of ninth we'll see that most of all be

453
00:44:16,73 --> 00:44:20,49
compliant. I'm just going to guess at

454
00:44:20,50 --> 00:44:24,57
a figure of ten to fifteen probably that
will have to you know possibly that was

455
00:44:24,58 --> 00:44:28,04
with the figure from last year
that were non-compliant you give

456
00:44:28,05 --> 00:44:32,75
a second notice yes we do second inspections
it's the first notice but then we do

457
00:44:32,76 --> 00:44:39,47
a second inspection of the first notice
so and they still have time to do it so

458
00:44:39,80 --> 00:44:43,73
you know if they have any questions or
anybody wants to call me to meet and go over

459
00:44:43,74 --> 00:44:50,09
it I'm happy to do that. And your phone
number your contact information as it is

460
00:44:50,34 --> 00:44:55,15
available in the mailing that sent out
it's all on there yes or eight maybe you

461
00:44:55,16 --> 00:44:58,82
want to give it anyway it is for
those who want to hear it sure.

462
00:45:07,41 --> 00:45:13,64
I just give you my office number six five
zero nine nine one one three eight and

463
00:45:13,65 --> 00:45:19,28
that's fire marshal. Thank you very much
and the other number that you want to call

464
00:45:19,29 --> 00:45:24,52
is four six eight seven one nine zero which
is the local number here in birthday

465
00:45:25,83 --> 00:45:31,90
thank you thank you very much thank you
and just that I move we give direction to

466
00:45:31,91 --> 00:45:34,62
the enforcement officer to clear the
properties that have not complied with the

467
00:45:34,63 --> 00:45:39,86
notice. I guess the
schedule being some. Night.

468
00:45:41,59 --> 00:45:46,64
Going. On in favor I thank you.

469
00:45:51,27 --> 00:45:57,06
Next diadem new business solid base waste
collection and recycling sites San

470
00:45:57,07 --> 00:45:58,95
Francisco scavenger company.

471
00:46:14,34 --> 00:46:19,11
Madam Mayor and members of the council the
franchise agreement with the South San

472
00:46:19,12 --> 00:46:20,93
Francisco scavenger company provides for

473
00:46:20,94 --> 00:46:26,55
a mechanism for an annual rate adjustment
that adjustment is generally to adjust

474
00:46:26,56 --> 00:46:29,59
the rates by eighty percent
of any change in the C.P.I.

475
00:46:30,48 --> 00:46:35,39
However every third year the agreement
provides that a survey be done of

476
00:46:35,40 --> 00:46:42,27
a basket as as you will of thirty
two different jurisdiction

477
00:46:42,28 --> 00:46:46,70
garbage rates in thirty two jurisdictions
in the Bay Area that are listed in the

478
00:46:46,71 --> 00:46:51,97
franchise agreement two thousand and nine
is the survey it was one of the surveyors

479
00:46:51,98 --> 00:46:58,88
in the franchise agreement. So March
thirty first of this year person to

480
00:46:58,89 --> 00:47:04,93
the franchise agreement the scavenger
company submitted. A rate survey and

481
00:47:04,94 --> 00:47:11,83
a rate increase request. The
survey was reviewed by staff for

482
00:47:11,84 --> 00:47:17,13
accuracy and the scavengers on May sixth
met with the city council sold to

483
00:47:17,14 --> 00:47:23,20
a subcommittee to review the proposed
rate increase. Unfortunately

484
00:47:23,60 --> 00:47:28,88
costs region wide in this
industry or increasing. At

485
00:47:28,89 --> 00:47:34,35
a fairly rapid rate and so the result of
the survey is that under the formula.

486
00:47:35,57 --> 00:47:37,34
Call the survey call for

487
00:47:37,35 --> 00:47:42,11
a rate increase of fifteen point nine
percent for residential container rates

488
00:47:42,12 --> 00:47:46,50
fourteen point four five percent for
commercial container rates one thousand

489
00:47:46,51 --> 00:47:51,13
percent for the compact and yardage rates
eight point four for the debris box and

490
00:47:51,14 --> 00:47:56,66
thirteen point one percent thirteen point
three one percent for the front loader

491
00:47:56,67 --> 00:48:01,47
been rates and those are the five benchmark
rates that are surveyed and the rates

492
00:48:01,48 --> 00:48:07,99
for other services are extrapolated off of
those benchmark rates for. A concern was

493
00:48:08,00 --> 00:48:12,75
expressed that this in this economy the
double digit rate increases would pose

494
00:48:12,76 --> 00:48:17,45
a significant hardship to rate payers
in the community. And so the scavenger

495
00:48:17,49 --> 00:48:23,25
company agreed to spread those rate increases
out over. Two or three years with the

496
00:48:23,26 --> 00:48:28,19
exception of the eight point four percent
for the debris box rate which would be.

497
00:48:29,38 --> 00:48:35,30
Put is proposed to be implemented in two
thousand and nine so. The subcommittee and

498
00:48:35,31 --> 00:48:40,55
the scavenger company. Agreed
on the following rate schedule

499
00:48:42,27 --> 00:48:47,21
for residential can rates in two thousand
and nine increase of seven percent four

500
00:48:47,22 --> 00:48:51,57
percent of the rate increase to be deferred
to two thousand and ten and of the four

501
00:48:51,58 --> 00:48:56,20
percent would be deferred to two thousand
and eleven. The two thousand and ten two

502
00:48:56,21 --> 00:49:02,100
thousand and eleven rates would be in
addition to the whatever. Eighty percent of

503
00:49:03,01 --> 00:49:03,100
this change in the C.P.I.

504
00:49:04,01 --> 00:49:08,90
Would occur during those two years the
commercial cannery would be spread out over

505
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:13,67
two years so you would have eight point
four four percent for two thousand and nine

506
00:49:13,68 --> 00:49:18,13
and four point zero one percent for two
thousand and ten. Two thousand and ten

507
00:49:18,14 --> 00:49:19,69
would be indifferent to whatever C.P.I.

508
00:49:19,70 --> 00:49:23,73
Adjustment would be in effect in that year
and then two thousand and eleven would

509
00:49:23,74 --> 00:49:24,58
be just the C.P.I.

510
00:49:24,59 --> 00:49:31,32
Adjustment. To yard been. The same general

511
00:49:31,33 --> 00:49:32,41
formula to

512
00:49:32,47 --> 00:49:36,95
a point four four percent four point seven
percent the Reeboks eight point four

513
00:49:36,96 --> 00:49:40,11
four percent in two thousand and ten two
thousand and eleven would just be the

514
00:49:40,15 --> 00:49:40,60
C.P.I.

515
00:49:40,61 --> 00:49:46,93
Increase and then compact yardage would be
similar eight point four percent for two

516
00:49:46,94 --> 00:49:52,79
thousand and nine. And the increment that
is ten percent the requesting that that

517
00:49:52,80 --> 00:49:57,21
be levied in two thousand and ten
however if the increase in the C.P.I.

518
00:49:57,22 --> 00:50:01,88
Is turns out to be significant they would
be willing to split that and ever said

519
00:50:01,89 --> 00:50:08,76
zero out over. It To The following
year. So bottom line is for all

520
00:50:08,80 --> 00:50:13,77
a least on the residential rates the average
increase for the typical thirty two

521
00:50:13,78 --> 00:50:16,45
gallon residential can service
would be an increase of

522
00:50:16,46 --> 00:50:22,44
a dollar twenty eight per month. For
residential rate payer. Happy to answer any

523
00:50:22,45 --> 00:50:24,51
questions Paul for most with this L.C.D.

524
00:50:24,52 --> 00:50:29,52
Scavenger companies here he can also answer
any questions that you may have. Thank

525
00:50:29,53 --> 00:50:36,33
you very much. Of course it's mine
and I'm going to ask Stuart. Can you

526
00:50:36,34 --> 00:50:37,96
explain what C.P.I.

527
00:50:37,97 --> 00:50:43,96
Stands for and what it means. U.P.I.

528
00:50:43,97 --> 00:50:49,88
Is the consumer price index and
it is the average increase of

529
00:50:49,89 --> 00:50:54,92
a whole basket of different goods over
a period over usually over a period of

530
00:50:54,93 --> 00:50:56,35
a year or

531
00:50:56,36 --> 00:51:02,38
a period of three years or whatever time
period that they used for and that the

532
00:51:02,39 --> 00:51:08,21
goods are the. Every day types
of things that people buy

533
00:51:09,03 --> 00:51:15,18
there's you know there is energy there is
transportation costs there is food there

534
00:51:15,19 --> 00:51:21,39
is housing all included in
the C.P.I. . This is C.P.I.

535
00:51:21,40 --> 00:51:26,51
Ever go negative. It is rare but it does
that's called deflation which is one of

536
00:51:26,52 --> 00:51:31,80
the big concerns right now of the current
recession that people will hold off

537
00:51:31,81 --> 00:51:35,50
buying thinking that prices will go down
in the future which could then create

538
00:51:35,51 --> 00:51:38,80
a deflationary period so if the C.B.I.

539
00:51:38,81 --> 00:51:45,38
Goes negative it could mean the rates
go down and. Yes in the in the

540
00:51:45,39 --> 00:51:48,07
franchise agreement it's eighty
percent of the change in the C.P.I.

541
00:51:48,08 --> 00:51:52,55
Or that change is positive or negative so
if you had a negative change in the C.P.I.

542
00:51:52,56 --> 00:51:53,82
Even the rates would have to be just

543
00:51:53,83 --> 00:52:00,75
a dumb or. What I'm saying. Are

544
00:52:00,76 --> 00:52:06,55
you don't you know Michael so as part of
the subcommittee I recall that we had the

545
00:52:06,56 --> 00:52:10,95
last time they came to us for rate
increases they deferred part of that rate

546
00:52:10,96 --> 00:52:16,94
increase and. I believe that's being
made up for now is that right.

547
00:52:18,23 --> 00:52:20,39
Last time the survey indicated I think

548
00:52:20,40 --> 00:52:26,02
a seventeen percent. Increase for the
residential rates of the scavengers agreed to

549
00:52:26,03 --> 00:52:30,02
reduce that request to only ten percent
and that ten percent was spread out over

550
00:52:30,03 --> 00:52:36,32
two years but the effect of that is that
that seven had seven percent plus that was

551
00:52:36,36 --> 00:52:41,11
given up or was foregone in that last
cycle three years ago is still imbedded

552
00:52:41,15 --> 00:52:45,55
because that came from the survey of the
thirty two other cities that amount is

553
00:52:45,56 --> 00:52:50,53
kind of still embedded in the underlying
rates that get surveyed So as those rates

554
00:52:50,54 --> 00:52:54,96
increase that that's where that baseline
still goes up so part of this year's

555
00:52:54,97 --> 00:52:59,50
increase really is that seven percent
that got to for three years ago so I just

556
00:52:59,51 --> 00:53:04,68
want to make that clear to everybody that
three years ago they were entitled to

557
00:53:04,69 --> 00:53:08,94
that additional seven percent that they
they deferred that they did not raise the

558
00:53:08,95 --> 00:53:14,22
rates that seven percent and and that went
on for three years consumers or Brisbane

559
00:53:14,23 --> 00:53:14,38
got

560
00:53:14,39 --> 00:53:19,25
a seven percent break basically for three
years and although we are raising rates

561
00:53:19,26 --> 00:53:25,55
tonight this rate increase now will kind
of include that deferred increase from the

562
00:53:25,56 --> 00:53:32,44
previous. Contract. Defined in the

563
00:53:32,45 --> 00:53:34,18
formula increase it's
quite in the French as

564
00:53:34,19 --> 00:53:38,10
a premium that's correct so I just I don't
didn't see that in the staff or just one

565
00:53:38,11 --> 00:53:43,52
make sure I was aware of that. So
for diminish Dennis's cheaters

566
00:53:44,79 --> 00:53:51,39
right seven percent and the thing
is. So the way the rates are

567
00:53:51,40 --> 00:53:58,35
calculated what a very big base is they
take that Monta played out by the C.P.I.

568
00:53:58,51 --> 00:54:02,29
Factor yes if you say that if the C.P.I.

569
00:54:02,30 --> 00:54:08,05
Increase by five percent we just don't
know what it depends on recent years it's

570
00:54:08,06 --> 00:54:12,99
been two percent three percent I think in
the past year it's I think almost zero.

571
00:54:14,56 --> 00:54:16,39
But if for example it was if it was

572
00:54:16,40 --> 00:54:20,57
a five percent since the increase is only
eighty percent of the change in C.P.I.

573
00:54:20,58 --> 00:54:21,28
You get they would get

574
00:54:21,29 --> 00:54:26,36
a four percent increase so that that goes
for you that happens every year for two

575
00:54:26,37 --> 00:54:30,86
years and then this new survey is done
every third year thank of the other cities

576
00:54:31,41 --> 00:54:37,99
and I'll play it Michael I did have
one question for Mr Formosa if I life

577
00:54:38,52 --> 00:54:45,33
yes. But if you tell me

578
00:54:45,34 --> 00:54:51,58
about this in your smaller garbage trucks
I yes I can tell you some things about it

579
00:54:51,58 --> 00:54:57,32
. That the truck that's being referred
to was purchased specifically for that

580
00:54:57,33 --> 00:55:02,27
development and the reason for it was
that it's lower and I can get into

581
00:55:02,28 --> 00:55:07,73
a tighter spot. I'm afraid
I'm not the truck I.

582
00:55:09,27 --> 00:55:12,82
Thought I'd give her some information on
that could you give us your name oh I'm

583
00:55:12,83 --> 00:55:14,52
sorry Paul from us on the C.F.O.

584
00:55:14,53 --> 00:55:19,54
Francis I'm just discovered your company.
The as I recall the truck was purchased

585
00:55:19,55 --> 00:55:25,40
specifically for that development do that
can the space constraints and I think it

586
00:55:25,41 --> 00:55:29,94
had to do with the garages that had to be
lowered to get in to where the cans were

587
00:55:29,94 --> 00:55:31,19
. And as

588
00:55:31,20 --> 00:55:37,47
a much smaller truck it's not any narrower
I don't think. But it is lower but I

589
00:55:37,48 --> 00:55:43,27
could get more information on that. OK
thank you Cher Well we had you here of

590
00:55:43,28 --> 00:55:49,32
course walk us while you're here of course.
What kind of feedback you get from the

591
00:55:49,33 --> 00:55:53,15
driver. Somebody made

592
00:55:53,16 --> 00:55:57,92
a comment earlier that they're not working
up in the hills too well as far as the

593
00:55:57,99 --> 00:56:01,99
driver having to get out and straighten
things out what kind of feedback you get

594
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:08,08
from your driver in regards to that. And
that's an interesting question we have.

595
00:56:09,79 --> 00:56:16,17
How can I put this. The cans are difficult
to place in Brisbane they are because

596
00:56:16,18 --> 00:56:19,37
the streets are narrow obviously
there aren't sidewalks

597
00:56:19,38 --> 00:56:26,25
a lot of sections of town. And
the truck. The truck needs

598
00:56:26,26 --> 00:56:29,55
a little bit of room to
grab them. And there's

599
00:56:29,56 --> 00:56:34,84
a lot of cars parked on the street all of
these types of things require the driver

600
00:56:34,85 --> 00:56:40,55
to get out to move the cans around
so frequently so they hasn't had

601
00:56:40,56 --> 00:56:45,31
a parked car or something like that we don't
want that to happen. Although I think

602
00:56:45,32 --> 00:56:51,38
the cans do work pretty well if they. I'm
sure there are areas of town where has to

603
00:56:51,39 --> 00:56:56,51
get out more often than other parts of
town. Ask for feedback from the drivers we

604
00:56:56,52 --> 00:57:00,77
don't hear much from the drivers about it
they're used to it now there probably is

605
00:57:00,78 --> 00:57:05,64
a good we have been discussing recently
about sending out the information about how

606
00:57:05,65 --> 00:57:10,59
to place the cans for the most efficient
collection but most people will do that if

607
00:57:10,60 --> 00:57:15,18
they can if there's room at the
curb at the time. There is.

608
00:57:17,50 --> 00:57:20,57
There's still an efficiency to it even if
he does have to get out because with the

609
00:57:20,58 --> 00:57:26,32
old style truck she'd have two guys and
they both have to get out so. It's still is

610
00:57:26,33 --> 00:57:28,04
more efficient than a rear loader type of

611
00:57:28,05 --> 00:57:32,23
a vehicle even though he does have to
stop frequently and reposition the cans.

612
00:57:33,68 --> 00:57:40,54
Because one person versus
two Yes exactly. So

613
00:57:40,55 --> 00:57:44,77
it that there are parts of town and same
thing happens and really any city that

614
00:57:44,78 --> 00:57:47,45
uses them there's always
sections where there's

615
00:57:47,46 --> 00:57:52,56
a lot of parked cars particularly That's
the biggest. I am pediment I guess you

616
00:57:52,57 --> 00:57:57,84
could say so do citizens
have an option. Going to

617
00:57:57,85 --> 00:58:03,20
a traditional canned if that's really not
working for them. They have any option I

618
00:58:03,21 --> 00:58:09,67
guess. They have an option of different
sizes of cans but the that they can itself

619
00:58:09,68 --> 00:58:16,47
the truck the truck they were using would
not can't grip an old style garbage can

620
00:58:17,42 --> 00:58:19,77
the the ones that we use have a kind of

621
00:58:19,78 --> 00:58:25,35
a ridge around them and the gripper grips
underneath that and that's what holds

622
00:58:25,36 --> 00:58:31,88
a can of places it goes up in the air so
I'm afraid that option is is not there OK

623
00:58:32,44 --> 00:58:38,89
yes. What do we do it the ridge with the
small truck. They they have to bring the

624
00:58:38,90 --> 00:58:42,79
can to the truck and the truck has that
that's more of a traditional type of or or

625
00:58:42,80 --> 00:58:43,47
a load or it has

626
00:58:43,48 --> 00:58:49,34
a flipper on the back and they bring
the. At least I think they're picking up

627
00:58:49,35 --> 00:58:54,25
garbage cans or they might be picking up
the one yard bins I'm not sure which by

628
00:58:54,29 --> 00:58:57,51
the Basically they hook on to the back of
the truck and they flip into the harbor

629
00:58:58,38 --> 00:59:03,85
those are traditional style cans another
there is same kind of cancer you know.

630
00:59:05,72 --> 00:59:09,52
Dumpster dumpsters Yes. I do have

631
00:59:09,53 --> 00:59:14,85
a comment if you don't mind about what
Mr Boosey at this I see but I see so I'm

632
00:59:14,86 --> 00:59:21,57
sorry we we have heard complaints of that
type of people putting garbage and cans

633
00:59:21,58 --> 00:59:24,29
are not theirs and we have started on

634
00:59:24,30 --> 00:59:31,24
a program to try and and work with that
to notify people. That he might like

635
00:59:31,25 --> 00:59:36,89
that to notify people that they are
required to have service and we have been

636
00:59:37,70 --> 00:59:43,27
sending out letters and so forth we've just
started actually in Brisbane I may not

637
00:59:43,31 --> 00:59:49,37
have well but this way it's in the planning
may not have happened yet but it's

638
00:59:49,38 --> 00:59:53,86
going to happen soon might want to work
with staff on that because chances are they

639
00:59:53,87 --> 01:00:00,47
had ignored if it came from you oh yeah
well. Yeah we will if it comes to that

640
01:00:00,90 --> 01:00:04,74
we have started this and
I want Cisco and learned

641
01:00:04,75 --> 01:00:08,99
a few things along the way so I should
go some other you know when my wife got

642
01:00:09,00 --> 01:00:11,13
somebody putting their
trash in our trash can

643
01:00:11,14 --> 01:00:13,59
a couple weeks ago she just
took it back to his house.

644
01:00:21,22 --> 01:00:26,59
And my my trash gets well all the time not
from me I noticed that it's food but I

645
01:00:26,60 --> 01:00:32,75
don't know where it's coming from. Yes
and thank you very much thank you I must

646
01:00:32,79 --> 01:00:37,87
thank you I have that let me see if there
is any more Council comment and none OK

647
01:00:38,20 --> 01:00:44,85
Mr Busey would you like to have your
three minutes. Know thirty thirty

648
01:00:44,86 --> 01:00:47,88
seconds there is thank you Mr Formosa here

649
01:00:47,89 --> 01:00:54,22
a blessing you won't get any street fights
now he's safe in this I'm hoping I don't

650
01:00:54,23 --> 01:00:57,56
repent Mr Frum also but what I'd like to
know and I asked this question ten years

651
01:00:57,57 --> 01:01:02,43
ago Mr Smith answered it I wanted to know
were right middle to garbage scavenger

652
01:01:02,44 --> 01:01:08,45
couple why aren't we getting competitive
bits I worked our Ace Hardware store part

653
01:01:08,46 --> 01:01:12,65
time for years and they're big customers
of the hardware store the personnel that

654
01:01:12,66 --> 01:01:17,64
work at the scavengers great people but why
aren't we getting competitive bids are

655
01:01:17,65 --> 01:01:18,86
we locked into some kind of

656
01:01:18,87 --> 01:01:24,44
a law county to county and I'm just curious
and remember just I Mr Smith said if

657
01:01:24,45 --> 01:01:24,71
they have

658
01:01:24,72 --> 01:01:29,54
a long contract twenty years or whatever
if so how much time is left on their

659
01:01:29,55 --> 01:01:36,21
existing contract and why can't we get
competitive bids just in economics of fuel

660
01:01:36,22 --> 01:01:42,09
it's going to be closer but I'm going forth
and. So because it's in our backyard or

661
01:01:42,10 --> 01:01:45,93
front yard however you want to look at it
so anyway and what I would add worth I

662
01:01:45,94 --> 01:01:49,39
think we should have competitive bids
especially in today's world and take it Mr

663
01:01:49,40 --> 01:01:53,41
From also thank you very much Frank would
you like to respond to my question will

664
01:01:54,17 --> 01:01:56,47
the franchise agreement
was adopted in its.

665
01:02:01,05 --> 01:02:07,01
Turn cell phones off police. There were
calls me I think in one of their meeting

666
01:02:07,02 --> 01:02:13,91
they took to cellular and they threw
it away. The franchise agreement

667
01:02:13,92 --> 01:02:15,90
was adopted in one thousand
nine hundred nine and it's

668
01:02:15,91 --> 01:02:21,15
a fifteen year term so the green light will
expire in two thousand and fourteen. At

669
01:02:21,16 --> 01:02:26,09
the time the city could choose to have
the green mint bitter renegotiate an

670
01:02:26,10 --> 01:02:32,73
extension with the island
serious. Two thousand fourteen

671
01:02:33,36 --> 01:02:37,96
I'm OK Thank you very much enjoyed meeting
you may leave and whisper answer your

672
01:02:37,97 --> 01:02:43,72
question and that's only my wife
sourly. I hope she's not watching.

673
01:02:46,03 --> 01:02:48,87
OK you know things thank you yes please.

674
01:02:55,45 --> 01:03:01,91
There are council members very Miller this
is just. A suggestion that seems like

675
01:03:01,92 --> 01:03:08,72
the right time to raise it and that is the
problem of electronic waste. It seems to

676
01:03:08,73 --> 01:03:15,65
me that the system we have now is fairly
calm some and expensive. And it would

677
01:03:15,66 --> 01:03:20,18
seem to me that the council would try
to negotiate something to improve that

678
01:03:20,19 --> 01:03:23,81
situation I think even
to dispose of a T.V.

679
01:03:23,82 --> 01:03:24,77
Monitor cost

680
01:03:24,78 --> 01:03:28,27
a minimum of fifteen dollars and you have
to take it to the transportation if I'm

681
01:03:28,28 --> 01:03:33,27
correct about that. If there's something
different in that regard I would like to

682
01:03:33,28 --> 01:03:37,17
know about it but it seemed to me the reason
it came to mind is that you know with

683
01:03:37,18 --> 01:03:40,14
the switched all digital coming
up soon it was going to be

684
01:03:40,15 --> 01:03:44,27
a lot of old T.V.'s around that you know
going to be waste that people want to and

685
01:03:44,28 --> 01:03:49,03
yet you know there are toxic materials on
those T.V.'s and we want to encourage him

686
01:03:49,04 --> 01:03:54,01
to be properly recycled not just dumped
somewhere I don't know that we have

687
01:03:54,02 --> 01:03:58,44
a system to deal with that and if I'm right
about that then I would hope you would

688
01:03:58,45 --> 01:04:03,04
consider doing so thank you thank
you I believe I see Mr Formosa.

689
01:04:04,98 --> 01:04:11,80
Shaking head to answer. Leave the room
whichever way but I also thought there was

690
01:04:11,81 --> 01:04:18,58
a free free drop off just this last week
as well here in Brisbane. Is that right I

691
01:04:18,58 --> 01:04:24,85
. Think there are periodic Lee or you know
free you waste collection events that

692
01:04:24,89 --> 01:04:27,50
take place in the area I thought
there was one here there's

693
01:04:27,51 --> 01:04:31,44
a business in Brisbane that recycles the
refurbished as computers I thought and

694
01:04:31,73 --> 01:04:33,84
they may have sponsored that
last week it was I think on

695
01:04:33,85 --> 01:04:38,57
a Friday I don't know those are not organized
by the city didn't or the scavenger

696
01:04:38,58 --> 01:04:42,64
company but you're right I think there are
private companies that do pick stuff for

697
01:04:42,65 --> 01:04:48,74
free even county does have sometimes programs
for dropoff Cydia Redwood City I know

698
01:04:49,20 --> 01:04:53,18
they do things of that sort
but before and throwing

699
01:04:53,19 --> 01:04:57,87
a lot of answers would you like to when you
have all the answers that's very good.

700
01:04:59,05 --> 01:05:03,98
Yes there are frequently free
drop off type events that are.

701
01:05:05,87 --> 01:05:09,34
Perhaps not as well publicized as they could
be there and they're not organized by

702
01:05:09,35 --> 01:05:16,25
us and not organized by the city for
those who can't who would prefer. The

703
01:05:16,26 --> 01:05:21,31
convenience of having us pick it up we do
pick it up although we do charge and so

704
01:05:21,35 --> 01:05:25,59
we can go to people's houses and pick
those items up although there is an extra

705
01:05:25,60 --> 01:05:30,15
charge as what is the charge while
you know I think I believe a T.V.

706
01:05:30,16 --> 01:05:33,02
Is about fifteen dollars
for your average T.V.

707
01:05:33,02 --> 01:05:39,73
. I'm not sure about computers
and so forth maybe five to ten

708
01:05:39,74 --> 01:05:44,38
dollars something like that but people can
call or office and get those charges.

709
01:05:45,63 --> 01:05:51,40
Yes Yeah no wonder because sometimes right
in the parking lot of Midtown market

710
01:05:51,41 --> 01:05:57,52
there are people that just keep throwing
their T.V.'s and computer monitors and I

711
01:05:57,53 --> 01:06:00,47
reached over some made
that you know there are

712
01:06:00,48 --> 01:06:02,54
a lot of options these
days we are fortunate

713
01:06:02,67 --> 01:06:04,96
a few years ago five years ago
you can say that but there are

714
01:06:04,97 --> 01:06:10,96
a lot of options these days. Thank you very
much thank you OK Mr Purcey one follow

715
01:06:10,97 --> 01:06:16,10
up. Rate was. My favorite T.V.

716
01:06:16,11 --> 01:06:20,54
Ten years old I love that it died
about two weeks ago I took it to

717
01:06:20,55 --> 01:06:25,29
a place that paid me three dollars and
fifty eight cents I was asked how much for

718
01:06:25,30 --> 01:06:28,16
me to dump it that they pay
you put her on a scale it's

719
01:06:28,17 --> 01:06:34,68
a brand new business it's on the
corner. It's on the north west corner

720
01:06:34,72 --> 01:06:39,56
spruce and thank you sir. Now it's

721
01:06:39,57 --> 01:06:42,92
a brand new business talk to the owners
and you can bring in there were people

722
01:06:42,93 --> 01:06:48,51
bringing in washing machines and
dryers all assembled they put on

723
01:06:48,52 --> 01:06:50,42
a big scale they weigh it they take

724
01:06:50,43 --> 01:06:53,71
a driver's license in my
case and scan it OK Sure

725
01:06:53,72 --> 01:06:58,26
a bad guy you know you can rip it off the
neighbor's copper pipe and also you're

726
01:06:58,27 --> 01:07:01,64
not only the paid for your refuge it's

727
01:07:01,65 --> 01:07:05,20
a great industry I can think of the name
of it somebody could stop there get

728
01:07:05,21 --> 01:07:11,56
a car put it in your printed piece people
of Brisbane not on or off the sidelines

729
01:07:12,55 --> 01:07:15,83
but if you need call me realize I can
tell you more maybe you can give the

730
01:07:15,84 --> 01:07:22,42
information to the staff or. What
we can put it up on the blog.

731
01:07:26,21 --> 01:07:33,19
Yes So. You have another
three people you know I

732
01:07:33,21 --> 01:07:33,47
just

733
01:07:33,68 --> 01:07:40,80
a couple comments on some
recent conversation. I

734
01:07:40,81 --> 01:07:46,73
think I will end up behind those trucks all
the time and one other observation that

735
01:07:46,74 --> 01:07:47,82
I've made is

736
01:07:47,83 --> 01:07:53,49
a lot of that garbage doesn't make it into
the truck and it ends up on the street

737
01:07:54,31 --> 01:08:01,11
and. Quite numerous occasions
I've observed this. The

738
01:08:01,12 --> 01:08:07,82
Second Coming is. My recollection
in the old. Previous

739
01:08:07,83 --> 01:08:13,73
collection the truck was practically in
constant motion down the street and there

740
01:08:13,74 --> 01:08:18,81
were two people grabbing the bins and
dumping them into the back and they just

741
01:08:18,82 --> 01:08:22,74
walked from house to house keeping up with
the truck I don't think the truck ever

742
01:08:22,75 --> 01:08:28,82
stopped to through an intersection thank
you thank you very much things do change

743
01:08:28,83 --> 01:08:35,75
don't Day OK let's go. If there are
no I'm there time to comment so

744
01:08:36,09 --> 01:08:39,88
I like to continue with the rest of them
tender Well I'd like to approve the

745
01:08:39,89 --> 01:08:45,43
proposed rate increase you could
leave yourself. I'm sorry Mr.

746
01:08:47,01 --> 01:08:53,90
I thought you need to move. All in
favor. So they're breaking thank you

747
01:08:53,91 --> 01:08:58,77
very much I miss it apart from more so for
wanting to stretch just they impact on

748
01:08:58,78 --> 01:09:02,66
people and we appreciate that you could ask
one more question just to follow up on

749
01:09:02,67 --> 01:09:08,17
Mr Hines is QUESTION Do you
ever do sampling of. O.

750
01:09:08,24 --> 01:09:12,79
Like following your trucks and see what
kind of job they actually do get complaints

751
01:09:12,80 --> 01:09:19,31
from neighbors in regards to trash falling
out. When we get a come if we hear of

752
01:09:19,32 --> 01:09:25,77
a driver spilling. The garbage during the
course of his route. They have shovels

753
01:09:25,78 --> 01:09:29,26
and brooms are supposed to clean that
up if they don't then we do have

754
01:09:29,27 --> 01:09:33,71
a route supervisor goes up and checks with
the driver and make sure that he does

755
01:09:34,53 --> 01:09:39,81
and that is not something we hear commonly
but when we do here we do take care of

756
01:09:39,82 --> 01:09:44,35
it we will go out and sweep up the
street and as for checking on the driver

757
01:09:44,36 --> 01:09:49,34
frequently Yes we have route supervisor
who who responds to complaints as well as

758
01:09:49,80 --> 01:09:54,74
serve Tisha slee observes the
drivers on their routes as

759
01:09:54,98 --> 01:10:00,99
a good thank you Kit and if and if you if
we do have. Anyone like to call us we're

760
01:10:01,03 --> 01:10:06,54
six five zero five eight nine four
zero two zero Let us know OK. OK.

761
01:10:08,90 --> 01:10:15,74
OK thank you thank you very
much for everybody that and I'd

762
01:10:15,75 --> 01:10:21,62
like to go to the next i damn
and new business sorry I don't.

763
01:10:22,64 --> 01:10:25,22
Be housing element of the general fund.

764
01:10:38,02 --> 01:10:44,63
Thank you hon members of the Council.
I'd like to apologize that its

765
01:10:44,64 --> 01:10:45,50
presentation is

766
01:10:45,50 --> 01:10:50,93
a little lengthy and it's probably one of
the thicker packets that you've received

767
01:10:50,95 --> 01:10:54,31
recently but then the housing element is

768
01:10:54,32 --> 01:11:01,05
a. Complex subject prior to getting to
the housing moment though the gender

769
01:11:01,06 --> 01:11:07,66
includes. Updating you on the status
of the general plan and in the

770
01:11:07,67 --> 01:11:08,73
process of considering

771
01:11:08,74 --> 01:11:13,68
a general plan that looks twenty five
years into the future I felt obligated.

772
01:11:15,35 --> 01:11:22,11
Almost obsessed. With finding out the best
information for you that I could find

773
01:11:22,78 --> 01:11:25,21
and that's what this
presentation represents.

774
01:11:30,37 --> 01:11:34,89
The purpose of the presentation is really
to try to persuade citizens and leaders

775
01:11:34,90 --> 01:11:39,84
in Brisbane to have that to avoid the most
serious consequences from global warming

776
01:11:40,21 --> 01:11:44,66
will require reconsideration of some core
values about growth sharing going to

777
01:11:44,67 --> 01:11:48,75
depend on their screens
please I'm sorry Bill. Thing.

778
01:11:52,72 --> 01:11:58,32
Thank you. But.

779
01:12:00,17 --> 01:12:03,95
These specific topics I'd like to talk
about in this part of the presentation is

780
01:12:04,16 --> 01:12:04,84
the necessity of

781
01:12:04,85 --> 01:12:10,52
a climate stabilization federal state local
government response to climate change

782
01:12:11,29 --> 01:12:12,01
what is

783
01:12:12,05 --> 01:12:18,14
a sustainable general plan and then get
to the housing element. In the course of

784
01:12:18,15 --> 01:12:22,29
developing the general plan update all
way back when we started with the SAY IT

785
01:12:22,30 --> 01:12:27,76
AGAIN day or have your say day in two
thousand and three thousand and four. We did

786
01:12:27,77 --> 01:12:32,96
a lot of talk about community visioning
and at that time the. Feeling of the

787
01:12:32,97 --> 01:12:37,39
community was that it was paramount to
retain the small town character preserve

788
01:12:37,40 --> 01:12:44,20
open space and sure that develop and be
sustainable. That same time I was still

789
01:12:44,21 --> 01:12:49,26
a fairly new kid on the block in Brisbane
and I was looking at the future it's

790
01:12:49,27 --> 01:12:55,48
visions I'm globalization's biotech nanotech
green tech robotics all those things

791
01:12:55,49 --> 01:13:00,93
that are talked to talked about by authors
like Alvin Toffler and going all the way

792
01:13:00,94 --> 01:13:07,39
back to. One thousand nine hundred
ninety S. One nine hundred seventy S.

793
01:13:07,83 --> 01:13:14,67
To who and visions which is about
the blending of the sciences in the

794
01:13:14,68 --> 01:13:20,01
area of robotics and biologic computers
and so forth more recently though because

795
01:13:20,02 --> 01:13:25,07
of global warming I'd be cam more concerned
with the scientists vision of the

796
01:13:25,08 --> 01:13:30,54
future next twenty five
years. This is from the front

797
01:13:30,58 --> 01:13:35,69
a front page article San Francisco Chronicle
and may be March twelfth of this year

798
01:13:36,40 --> 01:13:38,79
global warning rising
ocean level threatens

799
01:13:38,80 --> 01:13:41,47
a half million people study says this was

800
01:13:41,48 --> 01:13:48,21
a Pacific Institute study that
was. Involved three state agencies

801
01:13:48,37 --> 01:13:52,56
that asked for the preparation of this and
it estimated that four hundred eighty

802
01:13:52,57 --> 01:13:53,48
thousand people in

803
01:13:53,49 --> 01:13:58,10
a wide range of critical infrastructure
as well as areas of wetlands one hundred

804
01:13:58,11 --> 01:14:02,62
billion dollars in property along the
California coast coastal areas are are at

805
01:14:02,66 --> 01:14:05,10
increased risk from flooding by

806
01:14:05,11 --> 01:14:11,92
a one point four meter separate sea
level rise and the the caviare as if no

807
01:14:11,93 --> 01:14:17,62
adaptations of actions are taken now
is just March of this year. There was

808
01:14:17,63 --> 01:14:23,98
a map that if you went on the Web site you
could find it just shows more extensive

809
01:14:24,19 --> 01:14:30,45
coastal flooding than previous studies have
shown. You can see Brisbane you can see

810
01:14:30,46 --> 01:14:35,42
the lagoon you can see lower reaches of the
city this was by the end of the century

811
01:14:35,78 --> 01:14:42,77
this is Pacific Institute. Study that
was. Funded by three state agencies

812
01:14:43,22 --> 01:14:48,57
Excuse me Bill but so is the the dark
blue sea level rise as scenario is that

813
01:14:48,58 --> 01:14:53,24
flooding the Brisbane village and the
buildings behind it it's flooding yes it's

814
01:14:53,25 --> 01:14:59,88
over coming beyond the lagoon and in the
whole southern reaches. Easterly reaches

815
01:14:59,89 --> 01:15:04,11
of the city as well as the northwest portion
of the balance but of course this is

816
01:15:04,29 --> 01:15:09,11
if no adapt ations are taken and it's for
the end of the century projection of

817
01:15:09,12 --> 01:15:16,01
a one point four metre sea level
rise OK Thank you. So that's

818
01:15:16,02 --> 01:15:21,81
a big caviar and it caused me to look
at the definition of adaptations in the

819
01:15:21,82 --> 01:15:25,47
dictionary and that's something that
has changed or changes so as to become

820
01:15:25,48 --> 01:15:29,06
suitable to a new or special
use or situation and

821
01:15:29,07 --> 01:15:32,35
a change in behavior an
individual group an adjustment to

822
01:15:32,36 --> 01:15:36,63
a new or modified dictionary says
cultural surroundings I suggested maybe

823
01:15:36,64 --> 01:15:42,17
environmental surroundings would be more
appropriate in this issue. So what we're

824
01:15:42,18 --> 01:15:47,48
doing is. The world's five hundred million
vehicles released four hundred billion

825
01:15:47,49 --> 01:15:53,02
tons of C O two premier twenty percent of
the manmade C O two comes from cars and

826
01:15:53,03 --> 01:15:53,41
the U.S.

827
01:15:53,42 --> 01:16:00,05
Produces twenty five percent of global
emissions. Where's our twenty five percent

828
01:16:00,44 --> 01:16:04,59
of the worldwide emissions come from just
as part of it the average American it

829
01:16:04,63 --> 01:16:08,11
emits about twenty tons of carbon
dioxide a year and if you drive

830
01:16:08,12 --> 01:16:11,14
a car that gets twenty miles a
gallon the average is twenty one

831
01:16:11,84 --> 01:16:18,17
a pound of C O T comes out the tailpipe
for every mile you drive. As part of the

832
01:16:18,18 --> 01:16:20,66
presentation on the
science of this it's as

833
01:16:20,67 --> 01:16:25,56
a rule of thumb it's interesting to consider
that each doubling of C O two can be

834
01:16:25,57 --> 01:16:32,34
expected to increase global temperature
by two degrees Celsius. The potential C O

835
01:16:32,35 --> 01:16:39,27
two crease increase how much is that
unfair and I know I have that right on the

836
01:16:39,28 --> 01:16:44,15
second part of the bottom of the slide.
I'll explain that moment so with the

837
01:16:44,16 --> 01:16:48,14
current trend C O two rises it two parts
for million annually from three hundred

838
01:16:48,15 --> 01:16:52,65
ninety parts per million to four hundred
seventy by two thousand and fifty there's

839
01:16:52,66 --> 01:16:56,99
been eighty parts per million I rise over
the last century so it'll give you an

840
01:16:57,00 --> 01:17:03,65
idea that we're accelerate we've been
accelerating the rise in C O two. By twenty

841
01:17:03,66 --> 01:17:07,67
one hundred and this is best met estimate
there was in the interim government panel

842
01:17:07,68 --> 01:17:11,50
of climate change report in two thousand
and seven the temperature warming is one

843
01:17:11,51 --> 01:17:16,12
point eight to four degrees Celsius which
translates into three point two four or

844
01:17:16,13 --> 01:17:22,34
seven point two Fahrenheit
it's not quite two to one but

845
01:17:23,04 --> 01:17:29,14
close. Some of the impacts include
doubling the number of four to five

846
01:17:29,62 --> 01:17:36,43
Category four to five hurricanes. Deaths
of twenty five and then it will double in

847
01:17:36,44 --> 01:17:40,11
the next twenty five years to three
hundred thousand per year attributable to

848
01:17:40,12 --> 01:17:41,76
global warming and

849
01:17:41,77 --> 01:17:46,69
a million species could go extinct by two
thousand and fifty is only about one

850
01:17:46,70 --> 01:17:49,68
point six million currently known
species so that's that's quite

851
01:17:49,69 --> 01:17:56,37
a chunk of the species that's
twenty fifty. Other impacts

852
01:17:56,51 --> 01:17:59,69
that with a two degree Celsius rise or

853
01:17:59,70 --> 01:18:04,85
a three point six Fahrenheit all coral reefs
are at risk of bleaching and you know

854
01:18:04,86 --> 01:18:09,88
that means for ocean habitats and two to
three Celsius coastal flooding displaces

855
01:18:09,89 --> 01:18:13,83
seven seventy to two hundred
fifty million people and half

856
01:18:13,84 --> 01:18:18,55
a million according to that. Earlier
study the Pacific Institute would be

857
01:18:18,56 --> 01:18:24,71
Californians So how urgent is this
situation many scientists believe that

858
01:18:24,72 --> 01:18:27,36
a C O two level for fifty
parts million represents

859
01:18:27,37 --> 01:18:31,91
a tipping point beyond which no
amount of intervention can prevent

860
01:18:31,92 --> 01:18:36,85
a catastrophe. Currently about three
hundred ninety parts for Million we are

861
01:18:36,86 --> 01:18:40,39
currently at three about three ninety parts
per million and increasing it as I said

862
01:18:40,40 --> 01:18:45,12
before to two parts per million per year
so I I estimate that about thirty five

863
01:18:45,13 --> 01:18:50,33
years out which is not too far beyond the
outer reach of the horizon of the general

864
01:18:50,34 --> 01:18:55,05
plan update and if those increases in
C O two levels continue those annual

865
01:18:55,06 --> 01:18:59,22
increases continue to rise it
may be less years and that.

866
01:19:01,62 --> 01:19:06,20
Already as I mentioned in the staff
report Tom Friedman told a kind of

867
01:19:06,21 --> 01:19:10,50
a little joke at the at the a bad
guy presentation he made about

868
01:19:10,51 --> 01:19:17,22
a month ago in which he said that
in talking Al Gore that Mr Gore

869
01:19:17,74 --> 01:19:23,98
may be owed Americans an apology for
underestimating the impacts from global

870
01:19:23,99 --> 01:19:30,43
warming and his book Inconvenient Truth and
indeed all the reports coming out since

871
01:19:30,44 --> 01:19:31,47
the I.P.C.C.

872
01:19:31,48 --> 01:19:36,42
Report are increasingly showing that it
was inadequate and that it didn't really

873
01:19:36,43 --> 01:19:42,02
address the feedback loops that are possible
that can accelerate glacial melt and

874
01:19:42,03 --> 01:19:47,83
lead to faster rise in sea levels and
as recently as the two thousand and

875
01:19:48,76 --> 01:19:54,68
seven summer Arctic ice retreat is
larger than any of the nineteen I.P.C.C.

876
01:19:54,69 --> 01:20:01,12
Models predicted. Feedback
loops like the bedo effect

877
01:20:01,70 --> 01:20:07,85
dark vs light surfaces ice versus land
reflectivity ocean acidification.

878
01:20:08,78 --> 01:20:15,43
The absorption of C O two by the ocean and
permafrost and callous right. Defrosting

879
01:20:15,86 --> 01:20:20,57
and methane release these are feedback loops
that science is always already saying

880
01:20:20,58 --> 01:20:26,34
that the two thousand and seven report
underestimated the potential impacts and

881
01:20:26,67 --> 01:20:30,99
there's been observations of the non-linear
glacial disintegration process that's

882
01:20:31,00 --> 01:20:37,05
going on since seventy nine now satellite
images showed melt ponds in the Antarctic

883
01:20:37,46 --> 01:20:43,65
and the Arctic and in Greenland
and Sciences scientists have been

884
01:20:44,03 --> 01:20:48,78
stunned literally stunned at the rate at
which lake formations are happening on top

885
01:20:48,79 --> 01:20:55,58
of the top the ice shelves. Even James
Hansen likes to refer to and obeyed Oh flip

886
01:20:55,69 --> 01:20:59,63
which could be the trigger mechanism for
anomaly or ice sheets on when enough ice

887
01:20:59,64 --> 01:21:05,41
sheet disintegrates and you lose the white
surface and allow for more dark surface

888
01:21:05,42 --> 01:21:06,99
to absorb more heat you get

889
01:21:07,00 --> 01:21:13,80
a more rapid glaciation of the
polls. I've gone back to the

890
01:21:13,81 --> 01:21:19,100
future here stepping back and realize
that in that dead perhaps the geological

891
01:21:20,01 --> 01:21:26,44
sciences I have more to say about the future
by looking at the past and geology has

892
01:21:26,61 --> 01:21:31,91
again if I had five mast extensions in the
past according to the fossil record and

893
01:21:31,92 --> 01:21:34,46
it a den of five by the boundaries between

894
01:21:34,47 --> 01:21:40,57
a father in the fossil record. And they
demonstrate the change in the rate and

895
01:21:40,58 --> 01:21:44,88
breath the species dying over time there's
been five mass extinctions that have

896
01:21:44,89 --> 01:21:50,26
been many smaller extinctions but the five
mass extinctions show here indicate Kate

897
01:21:50,27 --> 01:21:55,83
the they're the extinction rate percentage
of families of plants and animals in the

898
01:21:55,84 --> 01:21:58,11
case of the Permian extinction it was

899
01:21:58,12 --> 01:22:02,92
a ninety percent species extinction.
Granted that was a quite

900
01:22:02,93 --> 01:22:09,75
a while ago however of the five
extinctions one ng and one of the

901
01:22:09,92 --> 01:22:16,27
extinctions had been proven to be by the
meteor impact. That because they found

902
01:22:16,28 --> 01:22:21,63
a meteor and crater off the Yucatan that
became the dominant theory and impact

903
01:22:21,80 --> 01:22:28,26
science. Despite the claims and media
hype to the contrary ever since that

904
01:22:28,83 --> 01:22:33,82
is covered by the Alvarez team from
Berkeley. Scientists have been calling the

905
01:22:33,83 --> 01:22:38,02
earth trying to explain trying to prove
that the other four extinctions were caused

906
01:22:38,03 --> 01:22:44,71
by meteor impact so what did cause the
other mass extinctions since for twenty

907
01:22:44,72 --> 01:22:48,58
years they haven't been able to find proof
of other meteor impacts that could cause

908
01:22:48,59 --> 01:22:54,73
those extensions and what the geologist
and climatologists are in Cleese

909
01:22:54,91 --> 01:23:01,62
increasingly. Zeroing in on is
that C O two is the really the

910
01:23:01,63 --> 01:23:06,30
trigger mechanism for.
Rapid climate changes.

911
01:23:08,58 --> 01:23:15,03
There's. The ice sheets that were in
Greenland that were were drilled extensively

912
01:23:15,15 --> 01:23:16,56
two miles in depth revealing

913
01:23:16,57 --> 01:23:20,93
a couple hundred thousand years of climate
history and by the isotopes in the ice

914
01:23:20,94 --> 01:23:25,32
they can determine how much carbon dioxide
existed in that rather short period of

915
01:23:25,33 --> 01:23:28,55
two hundred thousand years which
according to these geologist is just

916
01:23:28,56 --> 01:23:32,48
a drop in the bucket it's just like yesterday
but nevertheless they were able to

917
01:23:32,49 --> 01:23:36,12
determine the level of C O two in the
climate for the last two hundred thousand

918
01:23:36,13 --> 01:23:41,35
years and interesting Lee this is been
corroborated by more recent scientific

919
01:23:41,36 --> 01:23:48,00
methods of the stomata in the leafs
of plants that are in the fossilized

920
01:23:48,01 --> 01:23:49,77
record so if there's

921
01:23:49,78 --> 01:23:54,91
a lot of C O two in the environment the
system in the plants are either open or

922
01:23:54,92 --> 01:24:01,87
closed. And from the fossil record it
corroborates the ice core studies. So

923
01:24:01,88 --> 01:24:07,37
the driver extent of these extinction seems
to be high carbon dioxide levels and

924
01:24:07,41 --> 01:24:13,08
certainly C O two coincides with mass
extinctions flood basalts or volcanic flows

925
01:24:13,12 --> 01:24:18,37
are also coincide with the mass extinctions
and are the likely source of the C O

926
01:24:18,38 --> 01:24:22,36
two in the past so there's

927
01:24:22,37 --> 01:24:26,97
a disturbing new theory that's coming out
of the University of Seattle Washington

928
01:24:27,42 --> 01:24:32,86
earth sciences department there that is
the warming occurs the freshwater melt of

929
01:24:32,87 --> 01:24:38,59
the glaciers interrupts the ocean currents
triggering an Oxic condition or an

930
01:24:38,60 --> 01:24:43,46
oxygen deprived ocean and allows the
proliferation of sulfur bacteria that can

931
01:24:43,47 --> 01:24:47,54
produce great quantities of hydrogen sulfide
So these are an aerobics bacteria and

932
01:24:47,55 --> 01:24:49,71
a robotic correct I think your slides as

933
01:24:49,72 --> 01:24:56,54
a robotic prime sorry. And Oxic condition
I think right but then deep water

934
01:24:57,04 --> 01:25:03,01
you're right. So as the options
in level drops in the water

935
01:25:03,91 --> 01:25:08,24
you just interfere with what's called the
camel climb which is this balance between

936
01:25:08,25 --> 01:25:13,88
the deeper and less oxygenated water in
the surface water that's oxygenated and

937
01:25:14,50 --> 01:25:19,66
this is coming from a a scientist
by name or Peter Ward that's with

938
01:25:19,67 --> 01:25:25,34
a group from the University of
Washington and Seattle. And.

939
01:25:26,97 --> 01:25:30,46
It eventually leads to what is called

940
01:25:30,47 --> 01:25:34,83
a can field ocean and this is named after
the geologist that discovered in the

941
01:25:34,84 --> 01:25:40,58
distant past even before the rise of animals
they were chemically and biologically

942
01:25:40,59 --> 01:25:44,42
differ the ocean was chemically biologically
different it was highly toxic and it

943
01:25:44,43 --> 01:25:50,67
was saturated with hydrogen
sulfide. And another ocean chemist

944
01:25:51,59 --> 01:25:56,44
by the name of Lee comp has said he's
from Penn State he said there were great

945
01:25:56,45 --> 01:26:01,27
numbers of sulfur bacteria near the end
of the Permian. And the hydrogen sulfide

946
01:26:01,28 --> 01:26:05,57
they produce was involved in the mass
extinctions and at the horrific result would

947
01:26:05,58 --> 01:26:12,52
be great bubbles of highly poisonous gases
rising into the atmosphere and this I

948
01:26:12,54 --> 01:26:16,38
won't bother to read this but this is
kind of a graphic description of what

949
01:26:16,38 --> 01:26:21,58
a Canfield ocean would look like and
it's it's it's it's an earthly.

950
01:26:27,77 --> 01:26:34,47
It's like it's another planet appears
that this switch that can trigger rapid

951
01:26:34,48 --> 01:26:35,69
climate change is

952
01:26:35,70 --> 01:26:40,79
a disruption of the North Atlantic warm
current. And there is some evidence as of

953
01:26:40,80 --> 01:26:46,44
two thousand and six against it's it's
not corroborated sufficiently but some

954
01:26:46,45 --> 01:26:50,94
evidence showing that the current is
being interfered with the North Atlantic

955
01:26:50,95 --> 01:26:53,85
Current. So

956
01:26:53,86 --> 01:27:00,33
a summary of this new hypothesis
about. Where global warming takes

957
01:27:00,69 --> 01:27:02,65
the Earth is that

958
01:27:02,66 --> 01:27:06,09
a sudden rise an increase and it doesn't
have to be from flood basalts it can

959
01:27:06,10 --> 01:27:12,59
become from any C O two source and methane
and it results in warming effects

960
01:27:13,15 --> 01:27:18,15
the warming effects the ocean circulation
it disrupts the position of the conveyor

961
01:27:18,16 --> 01:27:24,95
currents water water oxygen levels drop
that stimulates the growth back to bacteria

962
01:27:24,96 --> 01:27:30,45
that produce toxic amounts of hydrogen
sulfide hydrogen sulfide gases rise into the

963
01:27:30,46 --> 01:27:34,94
atmosphere and break down the ozone layer
and the high heat and hydrants sulfide

964
01:27:35,39 --> 01:27:35,82
results in

965
01:27:35,83 --> 01:27:41,54
a mass extinction and and this is the current
hypotheses to explain the Permian and

966
01:27:41,55 --> 01:27:45,28
extinction Yeah actually have sulfuric
acid there I'm sorry yeah there was

967
01:27:45,29 --> 01:27:47,57
a there was a time when

968
01:27:47,62 --> 01:27:52,43
a scientist wouldn't we would grab on to
that immediately I realize I don't want to

969
01:27:52,43 --> 01:27:59,15
. So I'm checked and this goes
back to the discussions in the

970
01:27:59,16 --> 01:28:06,09
safety element to zero six when I presented
some potentials and. Cons member

971
01:28:06,10 --> 01:28:11,17
both fast that's if we do nothing and as
I said even that Pacific Institute study

972
01:28:11,56 --> 01:28:18,08
is if no adaption actions are taken but I
think it's useful to steer at the worst

973
01:28:19,03 --> 01:28:25,36
case scenario in order to.
Indicate how urgent the

974
01:28:25,37 --> 01:28:32,16
situation where and really is and unchecked
by twenty one hundred emissions would

975
01:28:32,17 --> 01:28:32,62
result in

976
01:28:32,63 --> 01:28:39,21
a warming of four degrees remember only
took two degrees Celcius to bleach the.

977
01:28:40,22 --> 01:28:46,29
Ocean corals and begin other
changes that we'd not like to see.

978
01:28:48,06 --> 01:28:53,29
Good news is despite all this bad
news ovoid insisted possible.

979
01:28:55,31 --> 01:28:59,66
If it we were to cut greenhouse gas gas
emissions by seventy percent by the end of

980
01:28:59,67 --> 01:29:04,70
the century it would limit the increase to
about that two degrees Celsius sea level

981
01:29:04,71 --> 01:29:09,73
rise from thermal expansion alone would not
go to eight point seven inches it would

982
01:29:09,74 --> 01:29:12,21
be five point five we'd lose only

983
01:29:12,22 --> 01:29:18,45
a quarter of the Arctic summarize and
change to precipitation would cut in half

984
01:29:19,13 --> 01:29:25,11
and in the Southwest would be less dry given
the threat there of mega droughts and

985
01:29:25,12 --> 01:29:31,28
climate could be stabilised by the end of
the century but this is urgent because by

986
01:29:31,29 --> 01:29:36,80
the end of this century C O two levels
at the rate we're going could approach

987
01:29:36,84 --> 01:29:43,77
a thousand parts per million and the
effect would be as Peter Ward the

988
01:29:43,77 --> 01:29:49,11
professor of biology on earth science that
I got some of this information from. The

989
01:29:49,13 --> 01:29:51,54
effect would be earth changing
conceivably bring about it

990
01:29:51,59 --> 01:29:55,64
a great mass extinction the greatest
death of humans in all history.

991
01:29:59,01 --> 01:30:04,99
I was came across this quote by Martin
Luther King it really kind of expresses the

992
01:30:04,99 --> 01:30:08,64
situation that we're in
although as applied to

993
01:30:08,64 --> 01:30:15,18
a different issue for him it's
we're kind of faced the fact that

994
01:30:15,79 --> 01:30:18,08
tomorrow is today and there's

995
01:30:18,09 --> 01:30:23,57
a fierce urgency of now in this unfolding
conundrum of life in history there is

996
01:30:23,58 --> 01:30:23,82
such

997
01:30:23,83 --> 01:30:30,15
a thing as being too late so that
procrastination is still the thief of time. And

998
01:30:30,16 --> 01:30:35,05
then just one other quote and this is from.
A publication called Planet code red

999
01:30:35,06 --> 01:30:41,62
that came out last year that I know Dr
Miller is read and and he seemed at the

1000
01:30:41,63 --> 01:30:48,51
time. Quite concerned that this
plan I could read report was very

1001
01:30:48,52 --> 01:30:55,01
disturbing and indeed it was however in it
also expresses reason for hope and that

1002
01:30:55,02 --> 01:30:59,52
we've been able to rise to the challenge
in earlier times when we had strong and

1003
01:30:59,53 --> 01:31:04,85
visionary government intervention and when
the whole population contributed because

1004
01:31:04,86 --> 01:31:09,10
they understood the urgency of the task and
saw that their neighbors were prepared

1005
01:31:09,11 --> 01:31:14,64
to do the same so what I've been doing
since the two thousand and six safety

1006
01:31:14,65 --> 01:31:15,97
element I kind of took

1007
01:31:15,98 --> 01:31:22,63
a overall view on this if you go back
to ninety two. Sixteen years ago.

1008
01:31:24,05 --> 01:31:24,76
We had the U.N.

1009
01:31:24,77 --> 01:31:29,99
Framework Convention on Climate Change
nothing much happened until ninety seven the

1010
01:31:30,00 --> 01:31:36,94
cuatro protocol. And then still
given the information that was

1011
01:31:36,95 --> 01:31:42,93
coming out then it took until two until
the United States through the E.P.A.

1012
01:31:42,94 --> 01:31:47,77
Acknowledged that man's activities were
involved in the global warming and then

1013
01:31:48,09 --> 01:31:53,79
from ninety by nine by zero six California
showing leadership had adopted the

1014
01:31:53,80 --> 01:31:55,42
Global Warming Solutions Act A.B.

1015
01:31:55,43 --> 01:31:59,89
Thirty two. And other highlights
with the Supreme Court E.P.A.

1016
01:31:59,90 --> 01:32:03,89
Decision on C O two the attorney
general California settled

1017
01:32:03,90 --> 01:32:09,85
a sprog case with San Bernardino County
over their general plan and the it's

1018
01:32:09,86 --> 01:32:15,87
adequacy of Climate Action
Plan type of. Inclusion

1019
01:32:17,07 --> 01:32:23,92
Al Gore won the Nobel Prize with
the I.P.C.C. . Oh seven the U.S.

1020
01:32:23,96 --> 01:32:26,68
Adopts climate security
and energy independent X.

1021
01:32:27,38 --> 01:32:33,41
And last year the governor signs a
B S B three seventy five so all of

1022
01:32:33,42 --> 01:32:37,50
a sudden more. We're starting to see of

1023
01:32:37,64 --> 01:32:42,47
a better faster response than we were
seeing for the first half of this last

1024
01:32:42,48 --> 01:32:49,26
sixteen years. Just as illustration
since we kicked off the general plan

1025
01:32:49,27 --> 01:32:53,51
update on the left hand side the things
that we've been doing over these years and

1026
01:32:53,52 --> 01:32:57,83
on the right hand side what was happening
kind of in the larger world of global

1027
01:32:57,84 --> 01:33:02,34
warming Albo came out Al Gore came out
with this book Inconvenient Truth in zero

1028
01:33:02,35 --> 01:33:05,78
six we were finished up with the P.R.I.

1029
01:33:05,79 --> 01:33:10,56
Survey of the citizenry on the general plan
and then as you see we're going through

1030
01:33:10,76 --> 01:33:15,78
updating the various elements of the
general plan until we get to the housing

1031
01:33:15,79 --> 01:33:20,75
element which where we're coming to tonight
hopefully we completed draft of the

1032
01:33:20,76 --> 01:33:25,82
general plan by the end of the
summer and a wait and an E.

1033
01:33:25,83 --> 01:33:29,21
I R for the balance to
also be used as the I.R.

1034
01:33:29,27 --> 01:33:34,04
When the general plan update thereby saving
the city considerable expanse of the

1035
01:33:34,05 --> 01:33:41,00
duplicative environmental review. On
the federal and state response to

1036
01:33:41,75 --> 01:33:47,08
global warming in the way of the legislation
which starts to have an impact on

1037
01:33:47,09 --> 01:33:53,84
local municipalities. As I mentioned the

1038
01:33:53,85 --> 01:33:58,38
energy independence Security Act of two
thousand and seven just in two thousand and

1039
01:33:58,39 --> 01:34:02,65
seven December two thousand and seven the
new CAFE standard by Congress was thirty

1040
01:34:02,65 --> 01:34:08,01
five miles per gallon just the other week
the Obama administration adopted thirty

1041
01:34:08,03 --> 01:34:14,32
nine mpg for cars and trucks thirty for
cars and thirty for light trucks by twenty

1042
01:34:14,36 --> 01:34:21,35
sixteen that was just May nineteenth.
But will those CAFE and fuel standards

1043
01:34:21,39 --> 01:34:27,85
be enough. Despite the stringent
more stringent standards there

1044
01:34:28,55 --> 01:34:33,34
will still exceed target levels for
stabilising the climate because of the growth

1045
01:34:33,38 --> 01:34:37,33
in vehicle miles traveled the
Department of Energy forecasts

1046
01:34:37,34 --> 01:34:41,11
a forty eight percent increase in driving
between two thousand and five and twenty

1047
01:34:41,12 --> 01:34:47,10
thirty outpacing even the twenty three
percent projected growth in population. And

1048
01:34:47,11 --> 01:34:51,50
just to stabilize greenhouse gas concentration
at the tipping point the arbitrary

1049
01:34:51,51 --> 01:34:56,70
somewhat tipping point for fifty and
hold that temperature increase to Greece

1050
01:34:56,71 --> 01:35:02,51
Celsius would have to peak around two
thousand and fifteen and decline and decline

1051
01:35:02,52 --> 01:35:05,97
further thirty or forty percent below
the nine hundred ninety levels by two

1052
01:35:05,98 --> 01:35:11,87
thousand and fifty so the peak of increasing
greenhouse gases within six years

1053
01:35:13,62 --> 01:35:17,85
the emissions come from these various
sectors of the Qana me here's the breakdown

1054
01:35:17,89 --> 01:35:24,28
with transportation representing the biggest
share forty one percent we've got it's

1055
01:35:24,29 --> 01:35:30,45
a three part program in terms of part
problem in terms of. Greenhouse gases it's

1056
01:35:30,46 --> 01:35:35,40
a view economy and that's what the CAFE
standards address the carbon content in the

1057
01:35:35,41 --> 01:35:38,67
fuel which is also being addressed by
federal government regulation California

1058
01:35:38,68 --> 01:35:44,88
regulations and then the amount
of vehicles miles travelled the

1059
01:35:45,48 --> 01:35:52,42
growth in figure vehicle miles
traveled is is. Phenomenal it's three

1060
01:35:52,43 --> 01:35:57,03
times faster than the population and
two times faster than the vehicle

1061
01:35:57,04 --> 01:36:02,90
registrations. And studies show that
thirty six percent of that D.M.T.

1062
01:36:02,91 --> 01:36:09,34
Growth can be excluded plane by increasing
trip lengths. Seventeen percent by mode

1063
01:36:09,35 --> 01:36:15,01
shifts to the auto away from public
transportation and seventeen percent from

1064
01:36:15,02 --> 01:36:19,64
a decline in carpooling So we seem to be
going in the opposite direction from where

1065
01:36:19,65 --> 01:36:23,49
we need to be going and only thirteen
percent can be explained by the population

1066
01:36:23,50 --> 01:36:27,81
growth. So it's largely the D.M.T.

1067
01:36:27,82 --> 01:36:28,75
Growth is largely

1068
01:36:28,76 --> 01:36:34,13
a result of our land use pattern of development
since the end of World War two the

1069
01:36:34,14 --> 01:36:39,53
last sixty years we've been pushing
housing farther and farther away from the

1070
01:36:39,54 --> 01:36:42,64
center of things and it's

1071
01:36:43,24 --> 01:36:47,46
a large part of the explanation of why
we have this increasing the ickle miles

1072
01:36:47,47 --> 01:36:54,06
traveled. Land is being consumed at three
times faster than population growth.

1073
01:36:57,35 --> 01:37:02,27
To give an idea of that site selection and
context are important factors and urban

1074
01:37:02,28 --> 01:37:07,59
site close to an employment center with
twenty six thousand residents has fifty

1075
01:37:07,60 --> 01:37:11,02
three percent of the missions are
coming from mobile sources and

1076
01:37:11,03 --> 01:37:17,17
a more remote site at the edge of
the. Urban areas suburban or rural

1077
01:37:18,02 --> 01:37:22,06
a site with twenty thousand residents
eighty five percent of those emissions are

1078
01:37:22,07 --> 01:37:22,25
from

1079
01:37:22,26 --> 01:37:27,03
a mobile emissions so the further you push
people out from the center more driving

1080
01:37:27,21 --> 01:37:33,100
they do to get their
jobs. And it's largely

1081
01:37:34,01 --> 01:37:36,51
a home commute trip although we're doing

1082
01:37:36,52 --> 01:37:40,58
a lot of other driving apparently in
order to generate that kind of growth in

1083
01:37:40,59 --> 01:37:45,91
vehicle miles traveled. So there's two
peach piece major pieces of legislation to

1084
01:37:45,92 --> 01:37:48,08
deal with this issue A.B.

1085
01:37:48,09 --> 01:37:54,52
Thirty two is is the kind of the framing
legislation that set these targets for one

1086
01:37:54,53 --> 01:37:58,44
thousand nine hundred nine hundred ninety
levels by two thousand and twenty the

1087
01:37:58,45 --> 01:38:04,62
state estimated there for four hundred
million metric tons of. Greenhouse gas

1088
01:38:04,63 --> 01:38:08,55
emissions in two thousand and seven and
the goal is to be eighty seven eighty

1089
01:38:08,56 --> 01:38:14,52
percent below that nine hundred ninety
level by two thousand and fifty. A.B.

1090
01:38:14,53 --> 01:38:19,99
Thirty two grants the car by the California
Air Resources Board brought authority

1091
01:38:20,49 --> 01:38:25,75
over greenhouse gas emissions and it
requires participation in programs to reduce

1092
01:38:25,94 --> 01:38:29,71
greenhouse gas emissions. A.B.

1093
01:38:29,72 --> 01:38:34,54
Thirty two cent essentially sets the stage
for subsequent legislation and that

1094
01:38:34,55 --> 01:38:36,52
subsequent legislation is S.B.

1095
01:38:36,53 --> 01:38:42,30
Three seventy five and attempts to deal
with the missions of cars and light trucks

1096
01:38:42,30 --> 01:38:48,69
. Three seventy five authored by Steinberg
the two thousand and eight legislation

1097
01:38:48,70 --> 01:38:51,37
provides a means to achieve A.B.

1098
01:38:51,38 --> 01:38:55,72
Thirty two goal goals as far as cars and
light trucks are concerned and it builds

1099
01:38:55,73 --> 01:39:00,71
on the existing regional transportation
process by integrating land use and

1100
01:39:00,72 --> 01:39:07,57
transportation planning to reduce
greenhouse gas emissions. Is three

1101
01:39:07,58 --> 01:39:12,37
goals regional transportation
planning process to achieve the A.B.

1102
01:39:12,38 --> 01:39:17,44
Thirty two goals sequence streamlining
and coordination of the regional housing

1103
01:39:17,45 --> 01:39:22,15
needs assessment process the next time you
do the housing element and the regional

1104
01:39:22,16 --> 01:39:28,65
housing needs assessment process it will
be folded into this larger goals of this S

1105
01:39:28,66 --> 01:39:33,03
B three seventy five I so that it's
coordinated with regional transportation

1106
01:39:33,04 --> 01:39:38,20
planning in the Bay Area the automobiles
and light trucks represent about twenty

1107
01:39:38,21 --> 01:39:43,82
six percent of our greenhouse gas
emissions inventory. And the.

1108
01:39:44,97 --> 01:39:49,64
While we're passing they're considering in
passing legislation about this Meanwhile

1109
01:39:49,65 --> 01:39:54,60
the C O two emissions continue to grow C
O two and the rest of the greenhouse gas

1110
01:39:54,61 --> 01:40:01,47
emissions. And. I mean it seems like

1111
01:40:01,48 --> 01:40:06,53
we're not quite halfway through the
presentation yet and I know we have people that

1112
01:40:06,59 --> 01:40:10,73
came to the meeting tonight to testify are
we. Do we have to meet that we're going

1113
01:40:10,74 --> 01:40:14,70
to actually be able to take testimony from
members of the public tonight I just it

1114
01:40:14,71 --> 01:40:18,29
just seems to me like this presentation
may go on for most of the meeting Well

1115
01:40:18,30 --> 01:40:24,76
there's actually two parts to the
presentation it concludes the the

1116
01:40:25,07 --> 01:40:29,80
the set up to the housing
element and then. There's

1117
01:40:29,81 --> 01:40:34,11
a second part on the housing element so
right so I guess my way out so maybe is are

1118
01:40:34,12 --> 01:40:34,52
we going to get

1119
01:40:34,53 --> 01:40:39,68
a sponsor Viagra's tax and your bar we
have My question is are we going to have

1120
01:40:39,69 --> 01:40:45,10
a chance to receive public testimony tonight
I think what time is it now I think we

1121
01:40:45,11 --> 01:40:51,38
would think you know six Yeah you're at ten
thirty right and so we've been at this

1122
01:40:51,39 --> 01:40:56,61
for. A little over half an hour or half
we're not even halfway done with the

1123
01:40:56,62 --> 01:41:01,60
presentation hunger I just decided of I
just want to bring that up because I know

1124
01:41:01,61 --> 01:41:05,94
that some people came to testify tonight
and I want to get an idea of whether or

1125
01:41:05,95 --> 01:41:10,56
not or at what time they'd be able to
make comments Michael let me find out how

1126
01:41:10,57 --> 01:41:13,90
long this part of your present Taishan
is going to take I think it's probably

1127
01:41:13,91 --> 01:41:19,13
another five minutes with OK then continue
please and then and the second part is

1128
01:41:19,14 --> 01:41:24,04
on the housing element this is the
update to the general plan the legislate

1129
01:41:24,05 --> 01:41:28,48
legislation that the council needs to
understand as part of the housing element

1130
01:41:28,92 --> 01:41:33,25
alternatives of what you do in the housing
and that is directly related to reducing

1131
01:41:33,26 --> 01:41:36,91
vehicle miles traveled OK please continue
would video five million though I'd

1132
01:41:36,92 --> 01:41:43,76
actually like to get an answer to the
question when the public might be heard from

1133
01:41:43,77 --> 01:41:48,46
to and I call I soon as he's finished
taking make the second part of his comments

1134
01:41:48,47 --> 01:41:53,04
and we would have ample time for
public to know that it would be

1135
01:41:53,05 --> 01:41:59,84
a case we actually have to get the full
presentation. To do it so he's looking at

1136
01:41:59,85 --> 01:42:05,05
times pacifically like thirty minutes or
forty minutes brought probably the whole

1137
01:42:05,06 --> 01:42:08,02
of. The first part is that it is

1138
01:42:08,27 --> 01:42:13,94
a half hour in the same. Part of the half
hour so at but the first part is at the

1139
01:42:13,95 --> 01:42:17,48
end of the first part of the council
would would this decide if the public is

1140
01:42:17,49 --> 01:42:23,01
interested in making comments or on this
part of the presentation this is largely

1141
01:42:23,02 --> 01:42:27,11
informative of the legislation that has
passed since we last talked about the

1142
01:42:27,12 --> 01:42:33,67
general plan update and in order to write
the general plan. The staff is going to

1143
01:42:33,68 --> 01:42:39,04
need to read from the council and that
direction should be based on understanding

1144
01:42:39,05 --> 01:42:45,11
what the legislative response to global
warming is and how that is related to the

1145
01:42:45,12 --> 01:42:51,42
pattern of development which is
represented in the housing element. OK so

1146
01:42:52,29 --> 01:42:56,03
I'm trying to answer the numbers the public
came I'm sorry I can't seem to get that

1147
01:42:56,04 --> 01:43:01,37
from staff and the mayor doesn't seem to
be interested in either my apologies. OK

1148
01:43:01,80 --> 01:43:08,11
please continue and I understand then you
you need about at least one hour my quick

1149
01:43:08,15 --> 01:43:13,54
rate but it's broken into two half hour
segments and so we can take after the first

1150
01:43:13,55 --> 01:43:18,44
thirty minutes we can take public input yes
and even if there are Council questions

1151
01:43:18,45 --> 01:43:22,84
on the information they've received to that
point so forth and the housing element

1152
01:43:22,85 --> 01:43:27,24
portion of that while it has more hands on
work at the end of the council would be

1153
01:43:27,25 --> 01:43:31,77
doing in terms of the policy program review
and the selection of alternative sites

1154
01:43:31,96 --> 01:43:38,32
for housing. Let's be mindful of the need
for people to make public and thank God

1155
01:43:38,50 --> 01:43:42,82
So we have these two pieces of legislation
three seventy five being the more

1156
01:43:43,07 --> 01:43:49,01
focused one trying to coordinate regional
transportation and land use this has

1157
01:43:49,02 --> 01:43:55,46
implications I think in the future of local
government planning control over local

1158
01:43:55,47 --> 01:43:59,81
government planning in other words if these
targets for three seventy five are not

1159
01:43:59,82 --> 01:44:05,80
met it's you can almost read between the
lines on these policy documents from the

1160
01:44:06,21 --> 01:44:10,63
regional agencies that are responsible for
implementing three seventy five that if

1161
01:44:10,64 --> 01:44:16,67
we don't meet greenhouse gas target
reductions the the the consequences there are

1162
01:44:16,71 --> 01:44:20,88
are so severe that I think
the state will will take

1163
01:44:21,03 --> 01:44:27,45
a larger role and local land use planning.
So three seventy five the science of the

1164
01:44:27,46 --> 01:44:33,98
responsibilities to develop these.
Sustainable Communities strategy that is

1165
01:44:33,99 --> 01:44:35,74
a set that is the core of what A.B.

1166
01:44:36,14 --> 01:44:38,56
Three seventy five is all
about and it requires

1167
01:44:38,57 --> 01:44:40,28
a bag and it's just not an either or

1168
01:44:40,29 --> 01:44:45,03
a bag forecast it's really trying to
integrate regional transportation planning

1169
01:44:45,36 --> 01:44:49,73
with the land use planning that local
jurisdictions do and where this is probably

1170
01:44:49,74 --> 01:44:55,96
going to be felt the most is in
transportation funding so. It is sustainable

1171
01:44:55,97 --> 01:44:58,51
communities strategy is in effect

1172
01:44:58,55 --> 01:45:02,98
a land use plan ordinated
with transportation that

1173
01:45:03,02 --> 01:45:09,52
a bag and the three other regional agencies
will be involved in developing and

1174
01:45:09,53 --> 01:45:14,36
because it's part of the reason transportation
plan it's required to be eternally

1175
01:45:14,37 --> 01:45:19,52
considered internally consistent by federal
law and this includes to financially

1176
01:45:19,53 --> 01:45:23,76
constrain transportation investment package
so that's where it's going to hit home

1177
01:45:24,18 --> 01:45:29,79
with with local government is in the funding
of transportation mass transportation

1178
01:45:30,34 --> 01:45:34,51
efforts. In local planning

1179
01:45:37,42 --> 01:45:41,18
it also provides some
sequel relief for housing

1180
01:45:41,19 --> 01:45:46,05
a mixed use development and it's as I
mentioned before coordinated with it will be

1181
01:45:46,06 --> 01:45:50,06
in the future coordinated with the regional
housing needs assessment it will be

1182
01:45:50,07 --> 01:45:54,16
synchronized with the preparation
of the R T P which is on

1183
01:45:54,17 --> 01:45:58,83
a four year cycle most like now the rain
it will be on an eight year cycle so it

1184
01:45:58,84 --> 01:46:05,19
will it will match those two four year
regional transportation planning cycles and

1185
01:46:05,20 --> 01:46:08,92
the bill essentially asserts that without
improved land use transportation policy

1186
01:46:08,93 --> 01:46:11,97
California will not be able
to achieve the goals of A.B.

1187
01:46:11,98 --> 01:46:18,88
Thirty two. So by summary transportation
section sector emissions are only part of

1188
01:46:18,89 --> 01:46:19,37
the problem but

1189
01:46:19,38 --> 01:46:23,41
a very important part significant portion
of missions are attributable to the

1190
01:46:23,42 --> 01:46:27,77
increase in vehicle miles traveled vehicle
miles traveled are greatly influenced by

1191
01:46:27,78 --> 01:46:32,89
the pattern and mix of land uses So that's
your public enemy number one in land use

1192
01:46:32,90 --> 01:46:39,78
planning and greenhouse gas emissions
is vehicle miles traveled. So if we

1193
01:46:39,79 --> 01:46:40,64
don't achieve the A.B.

1194
01:46:40,65 --> 01:46:44,65
Thirty two goals as I mentioned I think
there will be more state intervention and

1195
01:46:44,66 --> 01:46:51,34
locally Atlanta is planning let's hope we
don't create the six math mass extinction

1196
01:46:51,34 --> 01:46:58,15
. So with that. I will

1197
01:46:58,16 --> 01:47:04,99
skip this this. Part and. Get to the

1198
01:47:05,00 --> 01:47:10,53
conclusion of this half in the interest
of moving things along so wristbands

1199
01:47:10,54 --> 01:47:13,84
response so far has been the adoption
of the green house building ordinance

1200
01:47:14,28 --> 01:47:19,34
conditioning new development to incorporate
renewable energy production. Policy

1201
01:47:19,35 --> 01:47:23,25
statements regarding the development of
that the bay land should be energy neutral

1202
01:47:24,05 --> 01:47:27,75
Well what more can we do. And

1203
01:47:28,38 --> 01:47:33,44
a key choice will be whether to consider
in the general plan in this in writing the

1204
01:47:33,45 --> 01:47:38,01
general plan in drafting the text of the
general plan and describing what it is

1205
01:47:38,02 --> 01:47:44,78
that is the city as expressed through the
council's direction to staff. Whether we

1206
01:47:44,79 --> 01:47:51,26
consider or we encourage.
Certain types of development

1207
01:47:51,86 --> 01:47:55,78
and the evidence on on land use in driving
shows that compact higher density

1208
01:47:55,79 --> 01:48:00,61
development will reduce the need to drive
between twenty to forty percent as

1209
01:48:00,62 --> 01:48:04,32
compared to development at the outer
fringes and it's realistic to assume

1210
01:48:04,33 --> 01:48:10,56
a thirty percent cut in vehicle miles
traveled is possible with compact Smart

1211
01:48:10,57 --> 01:48:15,63
Growth Development. So in order to create

1212
01:48:15,64 --> 01:48:22,03
a sustainable general plan that needs to
be taken into consideration and at this

1213
01:48:22,04 --> 01:48:27,87
point I would pause before going into the
housing element to see if the council has

1214
01:48:27,88 --> 01:48:32,55
any questions or if the council cares to
open it up to any public comments about

1215
01:48:32,56 --> 01:48:39,47
what they've heard so far. If you don't
have any question he can kind of going to

1216
01:48:40,15 --> 01:48:41,25
element it's

1217
01:48:41,26 --> 01:48:48,26
a very educational presentation Bill I think
it can an eye opener to what's really

1218
01:48:48,26 --> 01:48:54,07
going on. I don't have any specific
questions maybe perhaps public as

1219
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:59,26
excellent. Contents are
fabulous appreciated I know

1220
01:48:59,28 --> 01:49:03,62
a lot of hard work vented this and I'm
grateful that you've done this it may have

1221
01:49:03,64 --> 01:49:07,94
been it more than you wanted to I can mail
it out I'm sorry but no problem you know

1222
01:49:08,67 --> 01:49:14,47
it's great I believe I'm
going to learn has come to.

1223
01:49:20,31 --> 01:49:27,27
Thank you Will try to be brief. I
just wanted to raise one point

1224
01:49:27,31 --> 01:49:34,27
and before that I do want to thank. You
development director for reading all these

1225
01:49:34,28 --> 01:49:39,60
things to our attention. I hope
we respond collectively as

1226
01:49:39,61 --> 01:49:43,62
a national international community at
this point actually I'm not for about the

1227
01:49:43,63 --> 01:49:49,20
mystic. Especially if you look at
what's happening in Congress right now.

1228
01:49:50,64 --> 01:49:52,38
But what I want to raise is just

1229
01:49:52,39 --> 01:49:57,34
a little different interpretation of
the data Mr Mann and I think that.

1230
01:49:59,55 --> 01:50:05,44
It does lead to different policy and
facilities and what I would like to do with

1231
01:50:05,45 --> 01:50:10,68
your permission. Is to distribute
this city clerk would I have

1232
01:50:10,69 --> 01:50:17,50
a. Pie chart graph here.
Nuff member for that enough

1233
01:50:18,23 --> 01:50:24,20
copies for the council. This comes from
the California Air Resources Board

1234
01:50:25,04 --> 01:50:29,66
and what I wanted to raise was just an
issue about the statement in the staff

1235
01:50:29,67 --> 01:50:35,19
report that says. The new state legislation
focuses on the transportation sector of

1236
01:50:35,20 --> 01:50:41,54
the economy which constitutes the
most of any sector greenhouse gas

1237
01:50:41,55 --> 01:50:46,26
emissions. And what I want
to point out is that on

1238
01:50:46,27 --> 01:50:52,17
a national basis transportation is about
one third of the greenhouse gas emission

1239
01:50:52,18 --> 01:50:58,67
source but buildings are actually forty
eight to fifty percent. And what you can do

1240
01:50:58,68 --> 01:51:04,06
with this data from the California Air
Resources Board is put together those things

1241
01:51:04,07 --> 01:51:08,93
which are related to buildings and if
you add industrial and commercial and

1242
01:51:08,94 --> 01:51:13,21
residential and electrical generation
which is almost all for the operation of

1243
01:51:13,22 --> 01:51:15,68
buildings. You get

1244
01:51:15,69 --> 01:51:20,28
a much higher percentage than you get from
transportation. Now I certainly agree

1245
01:51:20,29 --> 01:51:24,13
that transportation is a big
problem but buildings are even

1246
01:51:24,14 --> 01:51:30,38
a bigger problem. And we shouldn't forget
that in our policy determination now what

1247
01:51:30,39 --> 01:51:34,18
I did on this little graph was to look
under the industrial You can break it down

1248
01:51:34,19 --> 01:51:39,95
by different categories and refineries are
eight percent of electrical I know of

1249
01:51:39,96 --> 01:51:46,60
the industrial amount so I figured I
will. Take that from the fifty's the

1250
01:51:46,64 --> 01:51:50,41
percent would still these forty four
percent is essentially coming from from

1251
01:51:50,42 --> 01:51:55,41
buildings. So what that means is that not
only do we have to deal with the issue of

1252
01:51:55,41 --> 01:52:00,63
how do you cut down driving and so forth
but also how do you cut down all the

1253
01:52:01,19 --> 01:52:06,78
greenhouse gas emissions that come from
the building and construction and the

1254
01:52:06,79 --> 01:52:12,62
operation of buildings and so I really
agree with the general thrust of the

1255
01:52:12,69 --> 01:52:18,42
presentation but I think we don't want to
lose sight of the fact that we have more

1256
01:52:18,47 --> 01:52:24,32
control in Brisbane over what happens in
buildings than we do over the general

1257
01:52:24,33 --> 01:52:28,52
transportation. OK thank you very much

1258
01:52:28,53 --> 01:52:34,26
a great pointer Thank you. Anybody
else for this are both Johnson.

1259
01:52:49,76 --> 01:52:55,67
And pretty fast. I want to say
how much I appreciate that you

1260
01:52:56,15 --> 01:53:01,73
requested the presentation that the plan
director made and all that he included in

1261
01:53:01,74 --> 01:53:08,12
it I in referring back to what he said
he mentioned that the cars and light

1262
01:53:08,13 --> 01:53:12,16
trucks in two thousand and seven only
created about twenty six percent of the

1263
01:53:12,17 --> 01:53:17,62
greenhouse gases in the Bay Area and I guess
you know I've been hearing about this

1264
01:53:17,63 --> 01:53:23,71
since. Oh by the one nine hundred ninety
about smart growth and trance that

1265
01:53:23,91 --> 01:53:27,34
oriented design and I always thought
it was a good idea I think is

1266
01:53:27,35 --> 01:53:30,17
a good idea to develop near
the center I think it's

1267
01:53:30,18 --> 01:53:34,26
a good idea to have this conversation in
Brentwood and in Fremont and all the areas

1268
01:53:34,27 --> 01:53:38,51
that are further out as well I would say
just as an individual doesn't want to give

1269
01:53:38,52 --> 01:53:44,01
up their integrity. In order to achieve
another goal I think this town shouldn't

1270
01:53:44,02 --> 01:53:50,46
give up its integrity its community
character in order to achieve these goals I

1271
01:53:50,47 --> 01:53:54,34
think there are other ways I think that
Ray Miller pointed out that we have

1272
01:53:54,35 --> 01:53:58,86
a lot more control over buildings than we
do over transportation and whether people

1273
01:53:58,87 --> 01:54:03,55
choose to live one place or another because
no matter what we do the average price

1274
01:54:03,56 --> 01:54:03,64
of

1275
01:54:03,65 --> 01:54:07,85
a house here is going to be extremely high
and if somebody has three or four children

1276
01:54:07,86 --> 01:54:09,47
needs that bigger house is going to have

1277
01:54:09,48 --> 01:54:16,33
a hard time affording it on what most
people make for their wage and for their

1278
01:54:16,34 --> 01:54:22,92
household and while I support the
goals that that I know that is what

1279
01:54:23,54 --> 01:54:28,79
director prince wants to achieve
I have many concerns and there's

1280
01:54:28,80 --> 01:54:32,90
a lot of ways to achieve thing I think
the city should think about never buying

1281
01:54:32,91 --> 01:54:34,33
another vaguer vehicle that isn't

1282
01:54:34,34 --> 01:54:41,27
a hybrid from now on for any department
in another words why not make every

1283
01:54:41,28 --> 01:54:46,48
action that you can take be an action
that's consistent with the goal of lowering

1284
01:54:46,49 --> 01:54:53,05
greenhouse gases that I think is very
important I think that I don't want to give

1285
01:54:53,06 --> 01:54:58,21
up our character I think that
when you have people put in

1286
01:54:58,22 --> 01:55:02,63
a very dense environment you have results
of maybe you don't want to have in terms

1287
01:55:02,64 --> 01:55:06,49
of human behavior it's like if you're going
to if you're going to say let's have

1288
01:55:06,50 --> 01:55:09,72
dense housing which I know
we must in the future to

1289
01:55:09,73 --> 01:55:15,14
a certain extent but in Brisbane I think
you have to keep in. Mind the context

1290
01:55:15,15 --> 01:55:20,27
within you. And it is going to operate
I think there. Should be standards for

1291
01:55:20,28 --> 01:55:25,04
housing standards that require there to be
common space space where people can talk

1292
01:55:25,05 --> 01:55:30,19
to each other space where children can
play so if you're going to build you know

1293
01:55:30,20 --> 01:55:34,58
you look at some times of what people build
and there isn't any common space you

1294
01:55:34,59 --> 01:55:37,94
know there's there's no
relief in a sense for

1295
01:55:37,95 --> 01:55:44,17
a very urban and harsh environment and I
think that it's people need housing and

1296
01:55:44,18 --> 01:55:49,04
I'm not trying to deprive them but I think
if we're if you're making the rules then

1297
01:55:49,05 --> 01:55:55,63
make the rules so that there are standards
that people must comply with and I think

1298
01:55:55,64 --> 01:56:00,90
when you're doing things like taking the
edges of Crocker Park which I tried to

1299
01:56:00,91 --> 01:56:02,71
find a map that was referred to in

1300
01:56:02,72 --> 01:56:08,14
a staff report and I never could find
it on the web that shows where they're

1301
01:56:08,15 --> 01:56:13,38
talking about I think you take into account
the commercial sector and the existing

1302
01:56:13,39 --> 01:56:20,09
residential sector and how
making those edges into dense

1303
01:56:20,10 --> 01:56:24,05
housing would affect everybody that's
already around them and whether you want to

1304
01:56:24,06 --> 01:56:26,68
change roads once I know there was

1305
01:56:26,69 --> 01:56:33,64
a suggestion to reroute all traffic in
order to it to get some units on that

1306
01:56:33,89 --> 01:56:39,23
land owned by Stirrers. So that you'd send
all the traffic in front of the people

1307
01:56:39,24 --> 01:56:45,16
on Sat and San Francisco street and I
think those kind of ideas are kind of ill

1308
01:56:45,17 --> 01:56:50,22
conceived but I would ask you to study
them and and think about not just what

1309
01:56:50,82 --> 01:56:55,43
you're trying to do now but about all
the impacts so that we wouldn't create

1310
01:56:55,44 --> 01:57:00,47
problems that we didn't anticipate could
thank you thank you very much appreciate

1311
01:57:00,48 --> 01:57:04,06
that. And don't.

1312
01:57:11,08 --> 01:57:17,86
Thank you madam mayor and council members.
Friday I was an A in environmental

1313
01:57:18,69 --> 01:57:25,29
work group working group where they were
talking about all the the. Things before

1314
01:57:25,45 --> 01:57:32,44
the Senate and state and
the assembly and. Quite

1315
01:57:32,45 --> 01:57:39,01
a few of the so-called global warming
issues they do not recommend

1316
01:57:39,32 --> 01:57:40,71
and they also told us

1317
01:57:40,72 --> 01:57:47,68
a lot about. Things that
are in one and two year

1318
01:57:47,69 --> 01:57:54,13
plans at the State Plant. Legislature

1319
01:57:54,71 --> 01:58:01,56
Anyway the bottom line was that
the cap and trade legislation is

1320
01:58:01,57 --> 01:58:08,38
a farce because it still allows
people to continue to produce toxic.

1321
01:58:09,69 --> 01:58:16,53
Materials in environments and I'm really
concerned about when we start to shift

1322
01:58:16,88 --> 01:58:23,83
to put housing in areas where
people where that were former

1323
01:58:23,84 --> 01:58:30,84
industrial areas because those toxins
are still there. In addition seems to

1324
01:58:30,85 --> 01:58:31,27
me that

1325
01:58:31,28 --> 01:58:37,49
a lot of the C O two comes from goods
movement from the transportation of of our

1326
01:58:37,50 --> 01:58:41,32
goods in diesel trucks
for which diesel has

1327
01:58:41,33 --> 01:58:47,76
a lower standard than. Gasoline
standard so our cars you know

1328
01:58:47,82 --> 01:58:54,54
interestingly enough as onerous and terrible
as it is to put that twelve I thought

1329
01:58:54,55 --> 01:58:58,92
it was twelve pounds of carbon
dioxide per gallon. Anyway.

1330
01:59:02,89 --> 01:59:09,21
It takes. By putting

1331
01:59:09,22 --> 01:59:13,37
a lot of housing around where all the trucks
are going to be passing We're going to

1332
01:59:13,38 --> 01:59:17,92
continue to have the problems that we're
having with health and asthma and things

1333
01:59:17,93 --> 01:59:20,71
like that and that because we have

1334
01:59:20,72 --> 01:59:25,96
a rail yard because we have the opportunity
to have better goods movement with an

1335
01:59:25,97 --> 01:59:32,14
electrified rail line I think we
had think more positively about

1336
01:59:33,09 --> 01:59:38,73
the potential uses here in Brisbane
than three or four hundred unit

1337
01:59:39,45 --> 01:59:46,22
requirement for. Housing and then
the last thing I wanted to say what

1338
01:59:46,31 --> 01:59:52,86
was alarming on that is that we've consumed
land three times faster than before and

1339
01:59:52,87 --> 01:59:55,20
it's that loss of land
that's going to put us in

1340
01:59:55,21 --> 02:00:00,63
a lurch when we don't have any land to to
provide our own food and sustenance thank

1341
02:00:00,64 --> 02:00:01,86
you thank you very much.

1342
02:00:08,21 --> 02:00:12,73
But. There are no. Comments.

1343
02:00:20,95 --> 02:00:21,63
Just we take

1344
02:00:21,64 --> 02:05:52,68
a five minute break. Yeah

1345
02:05:53,42 --> 02:06:00,26
I'd like to call the meeting
back to order. OK excuse me the

1346
02:06:00,27 --> 02:06:05,60
meeting is on now thank you Mr Penn thank
you madam and members of Council thank

1347
02:06:05,61 --> 02:06:12,22
you. And. Many more. Pause for

1348
02:06:12,23 --> 02:06:15,79
a minute to get the big
screen up and running again.

1349
02:06:21,95 --> 02:06:28,48
So just to brief you on the overall update
of the housing element was last updated

1350
02:06:28,49 --> 02:06:31,35
in two thousand and two for the one thousand
nine hundred ninety two thousand and

1351
02:06:31,36 --> 02:06:37,11
six cycle the new up date will go through
two thousand and fourteen it should be at

1352
02:06:37,12 --> 02:06:42,29
least drafted by July first if not submitted
to the state legislative changes to

1353
02:06:42,30 --> 02:06:46,98
housing law have taken place including the
early ones I mentioned and several more

1354
02:06:46,99 --> 02:06:49,60
so not as big in scope is a B.

1355
02:06:49,64 --> 02:06:53,39
Two and three and S B three
seventy five are new rain

1356
02:06:53,40 --> 02:06:57,73
a number of the councils where from last
year and our participation in the regional

1357
02:06:57,74 --> 02:07:03,48
housing needs. Process is
four hundred one units.

1358
02:07:05,10 --> 02:07:10,54
It's lower than the previous cycle and one
of the key parts of this housing element

1359
02:07:10,55 --> 02:07:16,84
update is to demonstrate the financial
feasibility to provide the affordable units

1360
02:07:17,58 --> 02:07:24,52
or adequate sites. The existing
Howlett housing element is

1361
02:07:24,53 --> 02:07:31,34
made up of six chapters or sections
discusses initially the purpose and

1362
02:07:31,35 --> 02:07:35,64
review of the previous elements so this is
submitted to the states so in the review

1363
02:07:35,65 --> 02:07:40,80
of the previous element we indicate what
was accomplished. It discusses community

1364
02:07:40,81 --> 02:07:45,31
cat character primarily the demographics
from largely still relying on the two

1365
02:07:45,32 --> 02:07:52,06
thousand census with an update from
what information we have their land

1366
02:07:52,07 --> 02:07:57,50
inventory in the rain A sites which is
the primary discussion issue tonight and

1367
02:07:57,51 --> 02:08:02,35
then standard. Chapters include the
housing constraints an analysis of the

1368
02:08:02,36 --> 02:08:06,80
governmental non-governmental constraints
to the provision of housing meeting

1369
02:08:06,81 --> 02:08:11,65
housing needs and then the housing policies
and programs which it be the last thing

1370
02:08:11,66 --> 02:08:15,41
that we would get to which is the policy
and program matrix that you're familiar

1371
02:08:15,42 --> 02:08:21,70
with from the review of previous elements
the general plan. The essential step

1372
02:08:22,00 --> 02:08:26,87
steps in the process is to review the
existing element update it analyze the

1373
02:08:26,88 --> 02:08:31,20
inventory of land suitable for residential
development and describe as I mentioned

1374
02:08:31,21 --> 02:08:35,19
the constraints to achieving the goals. Is

1375
02:08:35,20 --> 02:08:39,71
a couple of sections Circe straight from
the government code I won't I won't read

1376
02:08:39,72 --> 02:08:45,20
them I know you have looked at this in the
staff report and it's drawn from Section

1377
02:08:45,21 --> 02:08:50,33
six five five eight three of the government
cold. Indicating what constitutes

1378
02:08:50,37 --> 02:08:56,95
a suitable site for residential development.
In the process of looking at all the

1379
02:08:56,96 --> 02:09:02,70
residential part zone parcels in the city
staff looked at vacancy sites zoned for

1380
02:09:02,71 --> 02:09:08,05
residential use existing zone for
residential use they can side zone for non

1381
02:09:08,06 --> 02:09:11,75
residential use that would allow residential
development or could allow residential

1382
02:09:11,76 --> 02:09:15,80
development residentially zone sites
that are capable of being developed at

1383
02:09:15,81 --> 02:09:20,41
a higher density in other words they're
underdeveloped at the present time or site

1384
02:09:20,42 --> 02:09:25,24
zoned for nonresidents use that can be
redeveloped as necessary and result of

1385
02:09:25,25 --> 02:09:26,60
residential use this is

1386
02:09:26,61 --> 02:09:33,14
a matter of researching the city's land
use all the parcels in the city primarily

1387
02:09:33,15 --> 02:09:37,86
residential ones but others too to see
what the potential is to meet that for

1388
02:09:37,87 --> 02:09:43,54
a one number of the regional housing needs
assessment. Again that government code

1389
02:09:43,55 --> 02:09:49,67
section indicates that. You provide an
analysis demonstrating how the the existing

1390
02:09:49,68 --> 02:09:53,84
densities in your plan meet can accommodate
the need and if you don't find that

1391
02:09:54,28 --> 02:10:01,24
then. Too if you are going to demonstrate
the need by adding additional sites they

1392
02:10:01,25 --> 02:10:07,96
have to be zoned at least twenty units per
acre That's according to state law and.

1393
02:10:09,16 --> 02:10:11,05
There's there's a number of there's

1394
02:10:11,06 --> 02:10:15,01
a lot of new information about where people
are choosing to live I won't belabor it

1395
02:10:15,02 --> 02:10:19,45
but changing demographics of the US
population obviously you know where the baby

1396
02:10:19,46 --> 02:10:25,88
boom and the aging of the. Average aging
of the population housing preference

1397
02:10:25,89 --> 02:10:32,08
surveys provide information and sales
data all indicating that Americans are

1398
02:10:32,09 --> 02:10:36,69
demanding more choice of where they
locate this will be accelerated by the

1399
02:10:36,70 --> 02:10:41,59
demographic changes surveys show increasing
preference for compact smart growth and

1400
02:10:41,60 --> 02:10:44,82
in two thousand and three according to
one source for the first time in U.S.

1401
02:10:44,83 --> 02:10:47,19
History of the sales price
per square foot for

1402
02:10:47,20 --> 02:10:52,06
a detached housing was higher than detached
housing people actually prefer ing

1403
02:10:52,21 --> 02:10:55,70
attached housing condominium developments
probably because they don't want to

1404
02:10:55,71 --> 02:11:02,64
shovel snow or mowed the lawn anymore.
So these trends in housing is showing

1405
02:11:02,65 --> 02:11:03,23
that there's going to be

1406
02:11:03,24 --> 02:11:09,11
a greater demand for the smaller lot and
attach housing as well and less emphasis

1407
02:11:09,12 --> 02:11:15,82
on the make mansions which I think is a
good trend in the housing market. It's

1408
02:11:15,86 --> 02:11:20,10
a question of whether higher density is
becoming an excess city after talking about

1409
02:11:20,11 --> 02:11:27,06
the global warming being driven by the
vehicle miles traveled. Then detach sprawl

1410
02:11:27,07 --> 02:11:32,85
type development that's resulting in these
increases needs to be addressed in local

1411
02:11:32,86 --> 02:11:39,17
plants. I'll skip this on density
other than to say and I know you know

1412
02:11:39,62 --> 02:11:40,64
there's one comment

1413
02:11:41,02 --> 02:11:45,89
a quote that you've probably heard repeatedly
over the past years if there's one

1414
02:11:45,90 --> 02:11:51,38
thing Americans hate more than sprawl it's
density but then you know the other side

1415
02:11:51,39 --> 02:11:52,35
of that is would you prefer

1416
02:11:52,36 --> 02:11:57,78
a more global warming. When you think
of density you think of lack of privacy

1417
02:11:57,79 --> 02:12:01,18
crowding monotony some of the things that
have been even mentioned here tonight.

1418
02:12:03,12 --> 02:12:05,45
It's really him a lot of it is

1419
02:12:05,46 --> 02:12:10,29
a matter of design how you design the
multifamily attached development to address

1420
02:12:10,30 --> 02:12:16,95
those issues of privacy crowding and monotony
you obviously try and not to let that

1421
02:12:16,96 --> 02:12:23,73
happen. How skip the rest on
the density I and get right

1422
02:12:23,77 --> 02:12:27,64
into more closely into the heart of the
housing element and just want to mention

1423
02:12:27,65 --> 02:12:31,54
that the history of Brisbane is about
affordable housing and this is

1424
02:12:31,55 --> 02:12:36,80
a quote out of one of the histories and
I'm sure you're all familiar with it by

1425
02:12:36,81 --> 02:12:40,91
Lorraine Harriss about what it was like
to come to Brisbane in one nine hundred

1426
02:12:40,92 --> 02:12:45,63
thirty and build their first
house on Alvarado Street.

1427
02:12:49,95 --> 02:12:54,18
It's kind of what it looked like
back then noticed a lot for sale

1428
02:12:54,19 --> 02:12:54,99
a hundred dollars on

1429
02:12:55,82 --> 02:13:02,74
a lot. More advertisements
from the time another

1430
02:13:02,76 --> 02:13:07,34
quote from Dorothy rat off right out of
Brisbane's history as is the great quote

1431
02:13:07,36 --> 02:13:12,20
about but it was still your shack it was
your old tar paper it was your old boards

1432
02:13:12,83 --> 02:13:16,84
from the spirit of independence so the
history of Brisbane is is largely about

1433
02:13:16,86 --> 02:13:17,65
affordable housing.

1434
02:13:24,66 --> 02:13:28,28
There's some new housing law as I mentioned
that's been passed that the council

1435
02:13:28,29 --> 02:13:31,80
should be aware of and
in in a set and taking

1436
02:13:31,81 --> 02:13:35,71
a look at the distribution of the
additional regional housing need assessment

1437
02:13:35,72 --> 02:13:41,66
numbers. Mollen is probably the
most significant. It requires

1438
02:13:41,67 --> 02:13:45,45
a more detailed inventory of the sites to
accommodate the regional housing needs

1439
02:13:45,46 --> 02:13:50,17
assessment capacity and based on the minimum
designated densities so that's where

1440
02:13:50,18 --> 02:13:53,91
that twenty units per acre is coming from
and when we looked at the alternative

1441
02:13:53,92 --> 02:13:57,30
ways to achieve the before

1442
02:13:57,31 --> 02:14:02,16
a one regional housing needs assessment
numbers we were we had this in mind the

1443
02:14:02,17 --> 02:14:08,90
other legislation pieces of legislation
aren't that as significant or don't affect

1444
02:14:08,91 --> 02:14:15,33
the city's existing housing element for
say. Floor is requires the utility

1445
02:14:15,34 --> 02:14:19,26
districts to give priority to affordable
housing project water and sewer priority

1446
02:14:19,27 --> 02:14:21,25
to affordable housing project is

1447
02:14:21,26 --> 02:14:28,03
a new category of extremely low income
as opposed to very low and low but

1448
02:14:28,04 --> 02:14:32,10
fifty percent of the very low can be
considered to be extremely low so that

1449
02:14:32,11 --> 02:14:32,54
shouldn't be

1450
02:14:32,94 --> 02:14:39,17
a challenge to deal with. Is not regarding
density bonuses not conflict with city

1451
02:14:39,18 --> 02:14:41,51
ordinances Council remember they adopted

1452
02:14:41,52 --> 02:14:46,20
a inclusionary housing ordinance
and density bonus. Ordinance just

1453
02:14:46,21 --> 02:14:49,46
a few months back. Said C.D.O.

1454
02:14:49,47 --> 02:14:55,72
Requires that at least one zone allow
emergency shelters for the homeless and also

1455
02:14:55,73 --> 02:15:02,58
transit transitional housing. That includes
supportive housing it's occupied by low

1456
02:15:02,59 --> 02:15:08,44
income persons with disabilities
aid substance abuse so forth. So

1457
02:15:08,45 --> 02:15:12,24
a summary of the new legal requirement for
housing is that you must provide his own

1458
02:15:12,25 --> 02:15:16,37
were emergency shelters are allowed
by right. And must also provide for

1459
02:15:16,38 --> 02:15:22,64
transitional housing as mentioned. We already
know what the regional housing number

1460
02:15:22,65 --> 02:15:25,93
of process is about and that for

1461
02:15:25,94 --> 02:15:32,84
a line is the. Adopted number by the city
council that's broken out the four A one

1462
02:15:32,85 --> 02:15:37,61
has broken out into very low low moderate
and above moderate market rate units to

1463
02:15:37,62 --> 02:15:38,63
meet the total for

1464
02:15:38,64 --> 02:15:44,96
a one. Based on

1465
02:15:44,97 --> 02:15:48,62
a detailed land inventory you're supposed
to demonstrate through the housing

1466
02:15:48,63 --> 02:15:55,35
element that the existing capacity can meet
the arena or identify sufficient sites

1467
02:15:55,37 --> 02:16:01,35
of twenty units per acre to meet the Rayna.
We looked at potential locations for

1468
02:16:01,36 --> 02:16:04,25
housing back in February
of zero eight over

1469
02:16:04,26 --> 02:16:08,94
a year ago and the council looked at the
sites as part of the land use sound and

1470
02:16:08,95 --> 02:16:15,08
update in the Callista's property the
council voted to consider rezoning to

1471
02:16:15,09 --> 02:16:21,11
residential for two sites for the for the
callous site and two sites adjacent to

1472
02:16:21,12 --> 02:16:22,48
the Cal Street site as

1473
02:16:22,49 --> 02:16:27,75
a California state retired teachers retirement
system property next to the shopping

1474
02:16:27,76 --> 02:16:32,36
center they also consider rezoning
of Sierra Point the council voted.

1475
02:16:34,88 --> 02:16:40,90
Not to support the Opus or the
at the time diamond proposal for

1476
02:16:41,31 --> 02:16:45,07
a large amount of residential development
to see your point but did have

1477
02:16:45,08 --> 02:16:46,57
a three two vote in favor of

1478
02:16:46,58 --> 02:16:52,71
a hotel condo depending on. What it looked
like and environmental review that would

1479
02:16:52,72 --> 02:16:58,70
be necessary. They also you also looked
at the Universal Paragon Corp base sure

1480
02:16:58,71 --> 02:17:05,41
property next to the fire station no
residential and the Livingston peaking.

1481
02:17:06,90 --> 02:17:13,54
Voted three two against
residential there. The. Land

1482
02:17:13,55 --> 02:17:17,32
inventory was done by the in compliance
with the state law of the land inventory

1483
02:17:17,33 --> 02:17:22,41
was done by staff and we've looked at the
zone capacity in this is where that first

1484
02:17:22,42 --> 02:17:29,29
large charge comes into play after analyzing
the existing residential capacity we

1485
02:17:29,30 --> 02:17:34,01
found there is an existing zone capacity
for three hundred fifty nine units which

1486
02:17:34,02 --> 02:17:37,47
fall short of the total for
a one not by a lot but by

1487
02:17:37,48 --> 02:17:43,87
a margin but it's also farther short of
the Affordable Care Act categories of

1488
02:17:43,88 --> 02:17:49,76
ninety one very low sixty six sixty six low
and seventy seven moderate income need

1489
02:17:50,17 --> 02:17:55,20
so they're there for you start looking at
sites at twenty units per acre that can

1490
02:17:55,21 --> 02:18:01,58
demonstrate that that the feasibility
for the ninety one very low and and

1491
02:18:02,44 --> 02:18:08,57
sixty six low income those become the more
problematic sites the fine to find and

1492
02:18:09,08 --> 02:18:11,21
identify and zone

1493
02:18:11,22 --> 02:18:16,31
a rezone if necessary so we develop three
alternatives after combing through that

1494
02:18:16,32 --> 02:18:23,19
inventory this city's parcels of
land. Zoned residential. And we

1495
02:18:23,20 --> 02:18:23,53
found

1496
02:18:23,54 --> 02:18:29,54
a shortage from the existing zoning so we
looked at three alternative ways that you

1497
02:18:29,55 --> 02:18:35,09
might accomplish the four A one number one
is to mix additional units within the

1498
02:18:35,10 --> 02:18:37,26
existing residential zones by

1499
02:18:37,27 --> 02:18:43,54
a couple of rather simple techniques of
spanning the our two zone. Outside its

1500
02:18:43,55 --> 02:18:44,52
current boundaries

1501
02:18:44,75 --> 02:18:51,48
a block or two. In either
side of it. To rezone up to

1502
02:18:51,49 --> 02:18:57,52
five now. Five trade commercial sites
that would be two more than the council

1503
02:18:57,53 --> 02:19:02,29
looked at when they looked at the land
use element in February of away or some

1504
02:19:02,30 --> 02:19:09,23
combination of of the two in
which. The mix of the additional

1505
02:19:09,24 --> 02:19:13,64
expansion of the our two. That changes
the density of the lot dimensions and

1506
02:19:13,68 --> 02:19:20,12
a bunch of small changes would be mixed
with perhaps one or more resounds.

1507
02:19:21,23 --> 02:19:24,87
Of the trade commercial for instance one
twenty five Valley which is the Cal stores

1508
02:19:24,88 --> 02:19:31,64
site to achieve the four A one
regional housing need. All

1509
02:19:31,65 --> 02:19:36,97
three of the alternatives really would meet
the number and actually exceed the four

1510
02:19:36,98 --> 02:19:41,45
A one we didn't try just to make
it for a one in order to make

1511
02:19:41,46 --> 02:19:47,26
a housing element look like it's really
encouraging housing we came up with

1512
02:19:47,27 --> 02:19:52,45
alternatives that go beyond the four zero
one need but we're also looking at the

1513
02:19:52,46 --> 02:19:57,05
update of the general plan that projects
out twenty five years so having some

1514
02:19:57,29 --> 02:20:03,55
additional capacity before the below of the
above the minimum that the state would

1515
02:20:03,56 --> 02:20:08,69
like to see in the housing element. Would
be realized in any one of these three

1516
02:20:08,70 --> 02:20:15,21
elements as well they would also satisfy
the all of the affordable needs as well I

1517
02:20:15,22 --> 02:20:20,33
think the important thing to
remember about all this is that it's

1518
02:20:20,37 --> 02:20:26,59
a theoretical numbers exercise in all the
past cycles of housing element updates

1519
02:20:26,60 --> 02:20:31,86
that cities have done since this requirement
was legislated there has been no

1520
02:20:31,87 --> 02:20:36,02
penalty for not achieving
the number indeed for

1521
02:20:36,03 --> 02:20:42,03
a lot of communities like Brisbane the
the it really depends on what the

1522
02:20:42,65 --> 02:20:47,42
market will do and that
often times show it's

1523
02:20:47,46 --> 02:20:53,40
a much less housing production and
these numbers imply and although

1524
02:20:54,40 --> 02:21:00,28
you could satisfy some of this
need by working cooperatively with

1525
02:21:00,64 --> 02:21:07,53
nonprofit housing agencies as the city
has done in the past. You have to

1526
02:21:07,54 --> 02:21:14,28
make the case to the state about the
feasibility of these theoretical numbers

1527
02:21:14,50 --> 02:21:14,81
and there's

1528
02:21:14,82 --> 02:21:19,32
a couple of keys to the feasibility one is
the twenty units per acre density that I

1529
02:21:19,33 --> 02:21:25,96
mentioned another is if you were to
say this many units might be provided

1530
02:21:25,97 --> 02:21:32,95
by project with nonprofit housing developers
the state would probably want to see

1531
02:21:32,96 --> 02:21:39,44
some evidence that past experience shows
that you would generate those numbers so

1532
02:21:39,70 --> 02:21:44,43
past experience while the city has worked
cooperatively with housing for humanity

1533
02:21:44,58 --> 02:21:51,45
and done some really exceptional
affordable projects in the city. It would

1534
02:21:51,97 --> 02:21:56,57
be unlikely to convince the state that you
could do it primarily through working

1535
02:21:56,70 --> 02:22:01,84
with non-profits although.
Staff will certainly.

1536
02:22:03,23 --> 02:22:09,91
Make any arguments that the council
wants to put forth and how

1537
02:22:09,92 --> 02:22:14,41
those numbers are satisfied with the state
in order to convince the state housing

1538
02:22:14,89 --> 02:22:21,69
reviewers that the housing element plan
is feasible to achieve the numbers

1539
02:22:22,41 --> 02:22:27,37
so that's that's essentially the problem
here and these alternatives are not meant

1540
02:22:27,38 --> 02:22:32,68
to be exclusive. Other
alternatives are possible.

1541
02:22:34,47 --> 02:22:39,33
You can maximize the housing potential
by using all of the alternative

1542
02:22:39,34 --> 02:22:42,22
a plus the five parcels
and that would get you

1543
02:22:42,95 --> 02:22:48,91
a number even larger than any of these
three alternatives suggest. The

1544
02:22:48,92 --> 02:22:53,28
justification for some of this alternative
is to provide greater potential housing

1545
02:22:53,29 --> 02:22:59,61
capacity to address possible employment
growth it's not exclusive that additional

1546
02:22:59,62 --> 02:23:05,99
housing wouldn't. Be search something that
would be considered and on the balance

1547
02:23:06,34 --> 02:23:10,19
and indeed you have two letters from.

1548
02:23:13,10 --> 02:23:18,58
Interest groups in encouraging you to
do further study of the possibility of

1549
02:23:18,59 --> 02:23:21,54
housing in the balance this number for

1550
02:23:21,55 --> 02:23:28,34
a one. In debt that we came up with through
this this this rain or process with the

1551
02:23:29,01 --> 02:23:35,46
twenty other jurisdictions in the county
of San Mateo. To the degree that included

1552
02:23:35,50 --> 02:23:42,11
the kind of I employ meant potential that
would be possible in the bay lands. It's

1553
02:23:42,45 --> 02:23:48,30
up as we talked about when we're talking
about the. Density standards in the

1554
02:23:48,31 --> 02:23:53,36
general plan and that's part of the
formula that generates the Rayna numbers

1555
02:23:53,37 --> 02:23:59,28
employment future employment
generation so. To some extent

1556
02:24:00,02 --> 02:24:06,62
you're you you might satisfy some
of the employment growth related to

1557
02:24:07,34 --> 02:24:14,34
a bail and specific plan project approval
with this although it's not exclusive

1558
02:24:14,38 --> 02:24:19,96
it's not that this necessarily. Removes
the need for more housing that might be

1559
02:24:19,97 --> 02:24:24,88
generated in the with the Bay Land specific
plan and you'll have to kind of wait to

1560
02:24:24,89 --> 02:24:26,13
see the I.R.

1561
02:24:26,14 --> 02:24:32,85
Results on that specific plan hopefully by
the end of this year some time meanwhile

1562
02:24:32,91 --> 02:24:37,98
we do have the deadline on the housing
element I know there's been some question

1563
02:24:37,99 --> 02:24:43,32
raised in the city attorney is here about
the possible possibility of continuing

1564
02:24:43,33 --> 02:24:49,58
the direction of the housing elements. Till
that he is available so the council has

1565
02:24:49,59 --> 02:24:52,59
a lot to chew on with
this presentation and

1566
02:24:52,60 --> 02:24:56,95
a lot to go through and the last part as
I mentioned early earlier would be to go

1567
02:24:56,96 --> 02:25:02,22
through the proper goals policies and
programs matrix which would be kind of the

1568
02:25:02,23 --> 02:25:08,08
last part of this overall updated the
housing element process and with that I

1569
02:25:08,09 --> 02:25:14,07
conclude presentation and. Thank taken
questions can you turn your lights on please

1570
02:25:14,23 --> 02:25:18,36
thanks if you look all right
I would just like to make

1571
02:25:18,37 --> 02:25:24,97
a comment good presentation
Bill on. And this is.

1572
02:25:26,01 --> 02:25:31,22
A general comment I think. Coming from me.

1573
02:25:35,67 --> 02:25:40,59
If we're required to do four hundred one
under regional needs housing assessment

1574
02:25:40,65 --> 02:25:47,50
then. I don't feel the need to provide
any more than that from we're

1575
02:25:47,51 --> 02:25:54,12
doing the housing element. Which is
updated every five years anyway and

1576
02:25:54,13 --> 02:26:00,55
chances of four hundred one units being
built in that five years span probably

1577
02:26:00,56 --> 02:26:07,28
highly unlikely. So given those

1578
02:26:07,29 --> 02:26:11,51
alternatives while they're interesting
they certainly would require a heck of

1579
02:26:11,52 --> 02:26:16,37
a lot more study then making
the decision you know

1580
02:26:16,72 --> 02:26:21,26
a couple weeks from now to say OK this is
our housing element that could have the

1581
02:26:21,27 --> 02:26:28,06
potential I think Clara Johnson and stated
change the character of Brisbane and I'm

1582
02:26:28,07 --> 02:26:30,49
not ready to go there especially without

1583
02:26:31,87 --> 02:26:38,58
a whole lot of public employees. You
know and that's. I just don't think that

1584
02:26:38,59 --> 02:26:38,87
that's

1585
02:26:38,88 --> 02:26:44,42
a good idea I know we're trying to reach
these numbers I think are low income housing

1586
02:26:44,43 --> 02:26:51,31
proportion is an extremely high
proportional amount maybe some of the

1587
02:26:51,32 --> 02:26:56,38
other jurisdictions and we had brought this
up before like how many very low income

1588
02:26:56,39 --> 02:27:01,28
units is Hillsborough providing and
after ten and some of these more fluent

1589
02:27:01,74 --> 02:27:08,49
communities you know which
is probably. You know

1590
02:27:08,77 --> 02:27:15,38
and then we're doing over thirty percent
of this four hundred one units you know.

1591
02:27:16,44 --> 02:27:20,40
It was that year if I could respond have
did review the three of the housing

1592
02:27:20,41 --> 02:27:25,21
elements that are currently out cemetery
County including Hillsborough interesting

1593
02:27:25,22 --> 02:27:26,14
Lee enough and we took

1594
02:27:26,15 --> 02:27:30,90
a cue from the Hillsborough housing
element that we read housing element the

1595
02:27:31,03 --> 02:27:33,15
Hillsborough housing element is taking

1596
02:27:33,16 --> 02:27:40,12
a lot of credit for affordability especially
in the low income areas and very low

1597
02:27:40,50 --> 02:27:44,95
from second whiling it is and what we found
through looking at that in from our own

1598
02:27:44,96 --> 02:27:51,51
surveys and it if you'll notice
in the alternative day is made up

1599
02:27:51,91 --> 02:27:58,23
entirely within. I believe if I get
this right within the existing

1600
02:27:58,54 --> 02:28:05,28
zoning that Brisbane has but a series of
small changes including taking credit for

1601
02:28:05,29 --> 02:28:11,71
a second well in units that are potential
on all the residentially zone parcels. Is

1602
02:28:11,72 --> 02:28:16,82
one alternative that we've tried to framework
for the council so that you could you

1603
02:28:16,83 --> 02:28:23,47
could you know in effect fit those those
additional units in all over the central

1604
02:28:23,48 --> 02:28:28,85
Brisbane area without doing these larger
rezone Stuart chief that that itself is

1605
02:28:28,86 --> 02:28:34,63
going to have some effect on the character
of President as he indicated when he was

1606
02:28:34,64 --> 02:28:38,79
here for the last Planning
Commission meeting on an item of

1607
02:28:38,80 --> 02:28:43,56
a neighbor who is building a. An apartment

1608
02:28:43,75 --> 02:28:50,68
a. Family Project next door to him
they would suffer some impact

1609
02:28:50,69 --> 02:28:55,77
from the comings and goings of more cars
and gas emissions and noise and so forth

1610
02:28:55,78 --> 02:29:01,12
associated with that density so the there
are consequences of whichever way you try

1611
02:29:01,16 --> 02:29:05,91
to massage that additional density we
just try to provide the council different

1612
02:29:05,92 --> 02:29:07,74
ways but you're in

1613
02:29:07,75 --> 02:29:11,76
a lot of very interesting Bill I mean
that's for sure but like I said it would to

1614
02:29:11,77 --> 02:29:13,00
me it would require a heck of

1615
02:29:13,01 --> 02:29:16,85
a lot more study than saying OK
let's choose option is. A B. Or C.

1616
02:29:17,26 --> 02:29:22,56
You know or variation of those and you
know quite frankly I'm I'm not ready to do

1617
02:29:22,57 --> 02:29:27,04
this like in two weeks from now you know
to you know without a whole heck of

1618
02:29:27,05 --> 02:29:30,43
a lot of further study because we don't
know what the impacts are going to be we

1619
02:29:30,44 --> 02:29:35,00
already know parking sucks in Brisbane and
by doing all the secondary dwelling in

1620
02:29:35,01 --> 02:29:41,79
it which is fine and dandy will exacerbate
that even you know even more and I

1621
02:29:41,80 --> 02:29:46,41
think that's the reason that we haven't
done that in the past so you know I've

1622
02:29:46,57 --> 02:29:50,16
personally I'm not ready to make that
decision without a whole heck of

1623
02:29:50,17 --> 02:29:54,56
a lot of study on what this exactly
is going to mean I mean the earlier

1624
02:29:54,57 --> 02:29:59,15
presentation about greenhouse gases and
stuff like that you know it was you know

1625
02:29:59,16 --> 02:30:04,12
probably ten point you know she everybody
trying to get out of town at once you

1626
02:30:04,13 --> 02:30:05,93
know we put in X.

1627
02:30:05,94 --> 02:30:11,31
Number of secondary units that you know
all of sudden you know just trying to get

1628
02:30:11,32 --> 02:30:16,31
out of Brisbane is going to be. Quite an
ordeal and how much are we going to add to

1629
02:30:16,32 --> 02:30:20,12
the greenhouse gases with all those stop
signs and stuff like that I mean those are

1630
02:30:20,13 --> 02:30:26,31
things that I think should be studied.
Also you know I think the transportation

1631
02:30:26,32 --> 02:30:29,30
corridors probably. Make

1632
02:30:29,31 --> 02:30:35,48
a more interesting aspect and then
trying to do these things to satisfy

1633
02:30:37,03 --> 02:30:42,66
all the state or regional needs housing
assessment things that really aren't

1634
02:30:42,67 --> 02:30:47,04
looking I don't think they're looking
holistically I don't they're just looking at

1635
02:30:47,48 --> 02:30:52,04
how many houses can we pack so here's
your proportion call me here is your

1636
02:30:52,05 --> 02:30:56,41
proportion in Brisbane Daly City all the
cities in the Bay Area and they're not

1637
02:30:56,42 --> 02:31:03,37
real numbers. And so I'm very reluctant
to say let's do five hundred

1638
02:31:03,38 --> 02:31:09,19
fifty to our housing element you know if
our requirement is four hundred one maybe

1639
02:31:09,20 --> 02:31:14,51
you should do four hundred one. You know
or you know our variation to how we're

1640
02:31:14,52 --> 02:31:20,38
going to look at it I mean certainly I
have some ideas. You hit on here but.

1641
02:31:21,72 --> 02:31:24,12
Families you know it's
going to require a heck of

1642
02:31:24,13 --> 02:31:27,74
a lot more study than
then I'm willing to make

1643
02:31:27,75 --> 02:31:32,80
a decision by July first I guess Which
segues into the question to the city

1644
02:31:32,81 --> 02:31:37,42
attorney is can we get an
extension on this for you making

1645
02:31:37,43 --> 02:31:43,35
a decision no I was surprised this afternoon
to research this project and I found

1646
02:31:43,36 --> 02:31:47,36
the vision the state code you can not get
an extension of time for housing element

1647
02:31:47,56 --> 02:31:53,80
and lesser and incorporated city or newly
formed counties OK so what is this

1648
02:31:53,81 --> 02:31:59,55
sanction if you early it doesn't specify
in the code section I looked at I didn't

1649
02:31:59,56 --> 02:32:04,42
do extensive research on it but. My first
thought would be that if there's any

1650
02:32:04,44 --> 02:32:11,38
problem. Project proposal
or. Approval or somebody is

1651
02:32:11,39 --> 02:32:15,10
dissatisfied with an approval for them
opportunity to challenge on the basis that

1652
02:32:15,12 --> 02:32:20,79
it's an inconsistent or an incomplete
element of the general plan. I think I have

1653
02:32:20,80 --> 02:32:25,68
a question if you do include aliments in
your general plan it doesn't mean that you

1654
02:32:25,69 --> 02:32:30,23
actually have to build that that one I
understand that to be the case you can put

1655
02:32:30,24 --> 02:32:35,94
anything in there but nobody can as it is
to make you do it might not clutter the

1656
02:32:35,95 --> 02:32:40,88
chair the last rain of cycle the city's
number was four hundred twenty six.

1657
02:32:43,09 --> 02:32:49,13
You are absolutely correct that these
numbers are way blown out of proportion and

1658
02:32:49,14 --> 02:32:51,63
the truth is that it's largely

1659
02:32:51,64 --> 02:32:56,50
a theoretical exercise the market is going
to do with the market does regardless of

1660
02:32:56,51 --> 02:33:00,36
what the state demographers think your
share of regional housing should be so to

1661
02:33:00,37 --> 02:33:06,99
some in some extent. You know all
of the cities at least those with

1662
02:33:07,00 --> 02:33:11,23
consistent. Elements or housing
elements like Brisbane has

1663
02:33:11,24 --> 02:33:14,59
a housing element that in two thousand and
two was found consistent with state law

1664
02:33:14,60 --> 02:33:19,72
by the state and those four hundred
twenty six units were theoretically

1665
02:33:20,06 --> 02:33:26,87
demonstrated. Upon because some of that
land has been used over the past five seven

1666
02:33:26,88 --> 02:33:33,05
year cycle. Some of that capacity has been
used it's now down to three fifty six

1667
02:33:33,69 --> 02:33:34,02
so it's

1668
02:33:34,03 --> 02:33:39,47
a matter of making up you know some of
that lost capacity through the buildings

1669
02:33:39,48 --> 02:33:46,45
that have happened which was much less
then. Then this theoretical exercise so

1670
02:33:46,63 --> 02:33:53,02
I don't know what to say. In some
ways it's always seen. You know

1671
02:33:53,73 --> 02:33:59,29
that it can create a lot of public
consternation but it seems to be

1672
02:33:59,30 --> 02:34:04,14
a little bit Shakespearean in the sense of
much ado about nothing because it's just

1673
02:34:04,15 --> 02:34:08,27
a theoretical exercise and there's no
penalty at the end of five years it's zero

1674
02:34:08,28 --> 02:34:12,40
basic goes right back to zero you know
it's just an it's just an effort to

1675
02:34:12,41 --> 02:34:17,78
demonstrate to the state and the larger
region that you would be willing to absorb

1676
02:34:17,78 --> 02:34:24,74
. You. Or fair share of the affordable
housing needs should that level of

1677
02:34:24,75 --> 02:34:29,00
demand ever be there and
it never is so I you know.

1678
02:34:32,25 --> 02:34:37,03
One I'm sorry one of the things that I
serve on the back board and one of the

1679
02:34:37,04 --> 02:34:43,23
things that was appealing to cities for
example in Marion County that there are so

1680
02:34:43,83 --> 02:34:49,66
adamant about not wanting to do any of
that stuff was because. There is no

1681
02:34:49,70 --> 02:34:56,40
requirement to actually do it if you plan
for it do you include it but it doesn't

1682
02:34:56,41 --> 02:35:03,21
mean you have to do it and I really
don't see any problem but studying the

1683
02:35:03,22 --> 02:35:09,46
possibility. And you know that I really
it's just you know we've got to make

1684
02:35:09,47 --> 02:35:15,79
a decision before July first on this and
we scored in the city attorney but we

1685
02:35:15,80 --> 02:35:18,94
don't know what the sanctions would
be if she if we were you know

1686
02:35:19,25 --> 02:35:25,18
a couple months late. Well given the state
state through the chair I would say that

1687
02:35:25,31 --> 02:35:29,60
you know I. It would be good to deliver

1688
02:35:29,64 --> 02:35:34,08
a draft housing element to the state
by that date and then they have

1689
02:35:34,09 --> 02:35:38,87
a period of time to review it but then the
ball is in their court and really you

1690
02:35:38,88 --> 02:35:43,17
know any subsequent delay before it comes
back and we bring it back to the Council

1691
02:35:43,18 --> 02:35:49,28
for an adoption hearing with environmental
review. All the any delay beyond sending

1692
02:35:49,29 --> 02:35:55,32
them the draft is all on their.
On their side and so. If you get

1693
02:35:55,33 --> 02:36:00,24
a letter from the state with you know.
Where is your housing element Well your

1694
02:36:00,25 --> 02:36:04,45
reviewers are reviewing it we haven't got
it back so there you know it is all been

1695
02:36:04,46 --> 02:36:08,17
laid off probably yeah they have

1696
02:36:08,18 --> 02:36:12,10
a limited number of years doing all the
selling elements and the other part of it

1697
02:36:12,32 --> 02:36:18,04
honorable Miller also mentioned then you
know it's the transportation is the talk

1698
02:36:18,05 --> 02:36:19,76
of the town but really it's

1699
02:36:19,77 --> 02:36:24,15
a building and there's so wrapped up in
this transportation and the regional

1700
02:36:24,74 --> 02:36:30,87
planning of that I can see that they might
turn to levy delaying all of that to

1701
02:36:30,91 --> 02:36:35,89
really concentrate on the transportation
part it's going to good there'd be

1702
02:36:35,90 --> 02:36:42,80
a backlog Well Mary I would agree that
three seventy five is now focusing on this

1703
02:36:42,81 --> 02:36:48,68
regional transportation and land use plan
which isn't really how much meaning there

1704
02:36:48,69 --> 02:36:54,76
is to this particular arena cycle when that
is now shifted gears to you know under

1705
02:36:54,77 --> 02:36:59,52
three seventy five to make the housing
element an eight year cycle instead of

1706
02:36:59,53 --> 02:37:04,48
a five year cycle. It's now turned
into an eight year cycle it was

1707
02:37:04,49 --> 02:37:09,29
a five year cycle but every cycle the
state would end up giving you giving the

1708
02:37:09,30 --> 02:37:14,99
region an extra year or two to complete
it because usually the state was late in

1709
02:37:15,00 --> 02:37:17,53
providing the initial
numbers to begin with

1710
02:37:18,24 --> 02:37:22,71
a dangerous thing thing that our Wood
Johnson armor Mehmet Miller and I know the

1711
02:37:22,72 --> 02:37:28,26
rest of the some of the people who are here
on goal is to definitely do not mess up

1712
02:37:28,27 --> 02:37:34,60
the character of our town this is what we
are. Our pride is our city the character

1713
02:37:34,61 --> 02:37:39,79
dismount an atmosphere that is stablished
that is given. We're not going to

1714
02:37:39,80 --> 02:37:45,82
compromise that so I don't have any problem
with studying the physicality I don't

1715
02:37:45,83 --> 02:37:50,22
mind looking at all of that I don't mind
even going with this process right now to

1716
02:37:50,23 --> 02:37:54,17
meet the requirement I don't think we
should have cause the city to get into

1717
02:37:54,18 --> 02:37:59,62
a sanction the budget situation this state
is really messed up I don't think we

1718
02:37:59,63 --> 02:38:06,62
need to endanger our finance or it says
to just you know of say let's test them

1719
02:38:06,63 --> 02:38:11,59
and see what they can do I think we should
just go ahead do what we need to do but

1720
02:38:11,60 --> 02:38:18,36
automatically re are in charge automatically
our citizens are the decision makers

1721
02:38:19,04 --> 02:38:25,18
so I like to suggest that what I'd like to
suggest in got about twenty six minutes

1722
02:38:25,19 --> 02:38:29,80
yes twenty seven minutes left and most
other council members have questions as to

1723
02:38:29,99 --> 02:38:33,40
take public input it clear
that we're not going to make

1724
02:38:33,41 --> 02:38:38,22
a decision tonight. So if the council.

1725
02:38:40,33 --> 02:38:43,30
There's not have any question
I would open it in public.

1726
02:38:49,03 --> 02:38:52,59
OK public I don't want Johnson please.

1727
02:39:05,34 --> 02:39:10,79
I appreciate it listening to your discussion
and. And I'm glad that you're can

1728
02:39:10,85 --> 02:39:15,95
cerned as much as I am about the character
of the of the community the comments I

1729
02:39:15,96 --> 02:39:20,77
wanted to make in addition to what I said
before is that I know Pedro Gonzales he

1730
02:39:20,78 --> 02:39:25,39
and city council member at South San
Francisco came and spoke to the Planning

1731
02:39:25,40 --> 02:39:31,46
Commission and I just would commend his
comments today to the council regarding the

1732
02:39:31,47 --> 02:39:36,01
goals for the housing for the homeless
and his group called that he's

1733
02:39:36,02 --> 02:39:42,89
a part of called Hope. And in relation
to housing on the bail ends and I'm

1734
02:39:42,90 --> 02:39:49,80
only speaking for myself no other group
as. I I think there are several reasons

1735
02:39:49,81 --> 02:39:52,10
why housing on the valence are is

1736
02:39:52,11 --> 02:39:58,04
a very bad idea among them are. Sea level
rise and all the unknowns associated with

1737
02:39:58,05 --> 02:40:04,58
that long term unknown toxic
exposure and I realize that

1738
02:40:04,59 --> 02:40:10,68
pathways to exposure on the valence are
can be explained away but I you know I'd

1739
02:40:10,69 --> 02:40:15,01
say if you don't want your grandchild to
grow up there then don't make anybody

1740
02:40:15,02 --> 02:40:21,11
else's grandchild up there because it
is an urban environment there's Arsen

1741
02:40:21,12 --> 02:40:25,09
a good lead that they think they can you
know get rid of they think they can do it

1742
02:40:25,27 --> 02:40:29,98
to get rid of everything but it's the
unknowns to make it something that we might

1743
02:40:30,03 --> 02:40:32,84
which I don't believe
should be done and we had

1744
02:40:32,85 --> 02:40:38,05
a gentleman who's has thirty years of
experience with landfills and I know no one

1745
02:40:38,06 --> 02:40:42,06
is really thinking about putting housing
on the landfill but he said no housing on

1746
02:40:42,07 --> 02:40:45,73
landfills which kind of surprised me because
it surprised me because it was such an

1747
02:40:45,77 --> 02:40:52,27
unequivocal statement on his part but that
was his belief and. He was the expert

1748
02:40:52,71 --> 02:40:58,79
and as far as size seismic reinforcement
for homes I think if you're going to

1749
02:40:58,80 --> 02:41:03,59
provide housing that's adequate adequate
should mean that it's safe and if it's

1750
02:41:03,60 --> 02:41:10,10
safe then it shouldn't be completely
vulnerable to what is the likeliest besides

1751
02:41:10,11 --> 02:41:14,45
wildfire disaster that might
occur here for is being we have

1752
02:41:14,46 --> 02:41:18,80
a number of older homes there wood framed
their small in an earthquake as long as

1753
02:41:18,81 --> 02:41:23,33
they're attached their foundation they
shouldn't really they should take it in and

1754
02:41:23,34 --> 02:41:26,70
not have too much of a problem with even

1755
02:41:26,71 --> 02:41:30,85
a seven point one earthquake but if they're
not attached to their foundations which

1756
02:41:30,86 --> 02:41:35,95
many of these homes may not be or may not
be adequately attached and this is not

1757
02:41:35,96 --> 02:41:42,78
a advertisement for my husband's business
but it is real concern that I have that

1758
02:41:43,53 --> 02:41:50,34
the city might want to try harder to have
educational programs to have programs

1759
02:41:50,35 --> 02:41:56,88
that encourage people to do their
own. RE and reinforcing by having

1760
02:41:56,89 --> 02:42:00,41
a tool rental that's tried in other cities
you can check with them see how it's

1761
02:42:00,42 --> 02:42:07,04
worked out for them you can. Think
about if you could use your loan

1762
02:42:07,05 --> 02:42:08,81
MOND. In

1763
02:42:08,82 --> 02:42:15,65
a money from the redevelopment agency to
provide long term loans loans are payable

1764
02:42:15,66 --> 02:42:21,85
when the property selves there are ways
to help people carry out these repairs

1765
02:42:21,86 --> 02:42:23,85
which would mean that you would save

1766
02:42:23,86 --> 02:42:27,29
a lot of housing in the event
of an earthquake also you have

1767
02:42:27,30 --> 02:42:34,11
a lot of soft story multiple unit
housing. Buildings in this town and I

1768
02:42:34,12 --> 02:42:37,99
think that. Something needs
to be done because in

1769
02:42:38,00 --> 02:42:42,36
a very severe earthquake you'd lose them
and loss you could that there could be

1770
02:42:42,37 --> 02:42:45,53
loss of life and so I just wanted to make

1771
02:42:45,54 --> 02:42:49,04
a pitch that if you're going to deal with
housing that you all should deal with

1772
02:42:49,41 --> 02:42:51,80
housing safety and issues that are

1773
02:42:51,81 --> 02:42:56,12
a part of how many housing units you're
going to have left after the next

1774
02:42:56,16 --> 02:43:02,91
earthquake especially one that has its
center here in Brisbane rather than in. Loma

1775
02:43:02,92 --> 02:43:08,83
Prieta. And I thank you very much I
wanted to show you that on May nineteenth

1776
02:43:08,87 --> 02:43:13,43
a bag sent out a letter and a plan set
to all jurisdictions who are members of

1777
02:43:13,44 --> 02:43:18,86
a bag which. Gives the plants
that I have previously there's

1778
02:43:18,87 --> 02:43:23,60
a model resolution regarding the standard
plan set that's been developed and I'll

1779
02:43:23,61 --> 02:43:26,23
get you a copy of this at
the moment I don't have

1780
02:43:26,24 --> 02:43:31,96
a live by seventeen copies that I could
make but I will and give it to Sherry thank

1781
02:43:31,97 --> 02:43:38,35
you very much thank you very much I
appreciate that anybody else OK please.

1782
02:43:40,32 --> 02:43:44,70
Since time is limited I really am going
to hold everybody to three minutes so.

1783
02:43:46,71 --> 02:43:52,87
Thank you Madam America and some members I
think you need to take care in starting

1784
02:43:52,88 --> 02:43:59,78
to mix housing in Australia areas
and I think that the safety really

1785
02:43:59,79 --> 02:44:04,28
needs to be looked at when we purchased our
house which is really close to Crocker

1786
02:44:04,29 --> 02:44:05,22
Park we got

1787
02:44:05,23 --> 02:44:10,79
a document about an inch thick of all of
the leaking underground storage tanks and

1788
02:44:10,80 --> 02:44:15,82
stuff and when we were working with Fed
Ex That was saying that the Gilmore

1789
02:44:16,49 --> 02:44:23,33
location has in that leaking underground
storage tank and so. Of the areas that

1790
02:44:23,34 --> 02:44:27,23
you're considering in Crocker Park I
suggest that you really look at the

1791
02:44:27,24 --> 02:44:32,96
environmental concerns. Truck
traffic which is now at

1792
02:44:32,97 --> 02:44:39,68
a high that that right there at Valley
Drive is where all the trucks go

1793
02:44:39,69 --> 02:44:44,59
through some may be transporting
hazardous materials there's an issue of

1794
02:44:44,60 --> 02:44:51,50
liquefaction that is old. Marsh
that was not constructed

1795
02:44:51,51 --> 02:44:57,07
for housing the buildings themselves
were never considered for housing so the

1796
02:44:57,08 --> 02:45:01,87
buildings that you're considering anywhere
along Crocker Park are not adequate.

1797
02:45:02,90 --> 02:45:07,62
There's the sixty does. Simple sound limit
that you allow in the commercial but you

1798
02:45:07,63 --> 02:45:14,29
don't allow in housing but now housing is
kind of creeping in. Regarding the bay

1799
02:45:14,30 --> 02:45:19,04
lands I've asked before are you going
to look at where housing would be in

1800
02:45:19,05 --> 02:45:25,78
relationship to the burners for the toxic
burners and ground zero for accidents

1801
02:45:25,79 --> 02:45:31,92
from the tank farm. I would
like to reiterate that

1802
02:45:32,65 --> 02:45:38,27
land use for the Bay lands regarding housing
is no housing and it to consider it is

1803
02:45:38,28 --> 02:45:45,24
inconsistent with our general
plan and. I also wonder

1804
02:45:45,25 --> 02:45:51,01
why Brookfield homes isn't among one of
these it's we were talking with some

1805
02:45:51,02 --> 02:45:55,91
residents up at Northeast ridge and
they're saying you know with the way the

1806
02:45:55,92 --> 02:46:00,90
economy is going it would seem that the
seventy one units that they can still build

1807
02:46:00,91 --> 02:46:02,18
that they would come back with

1808
02:46:02,19 --> 02:46:08,74
a new proposal and it would seem that
this is the opportune time to consider

1809
02:46:08,93 --> 02:46:15,43
the north or the Brookfield homes or Northeast
ridge and put it down closer to land

1810
02:46:15,44 --> 02:46:21,37
not to denigrate any habitat and lastly.

1811
02:46:22,92 --> 02:46:28,68
How do I say this without sounding that
it's really unfair to put all your low

1812
02:46:28,69 --> 02:46:35,32
income housing in one spot it's highly
looked frowned upon Yes you need more

1813
02:46:35,33 --> 02:46:41,90
intensity but the way the city has gone
about doing low income housing by assisting

1814
02:46:41,91 --> 02:46:47,14
owners by. The purchase
of community housing on.

1815
02:46:50,45 --> 02:46:56,63
San Bruno at bay shore those
are brilliant OK Thank you

1816
02:46:57,46 --> 02:47:02,85
those are brilliant things that we have
that we have the ability to do without

1817
02:47:02,86 --> 02:47:09,55
changing our borders and putting people
in unsafe situations Thank you great

1818
02:47:09,56 --> 02:47:14,100
comments and appreciate
their. Anybody else please.

1819
02:47:21,94 --> 02:47:26,97
Thank you Terry O'Connell Brisbane resident.
I'm on the port of San Bruno Mountain

1820
02:47:26,98 --> 02:47:33,38
Watch and I spoke with some of our
board members today. And Sandra

1821
02:47:33,39 --> 02:47:37,45
a mountain watch recommends to the Brisbane
City Council that the necessary changes

1822
02:47:37,46 --> 02:47:42,84
to the Brisbane out of housing element to
meet state mandate take into account the

1823
02:47:42,85 --> 02:47:48,51
fragile apology and habitat assembled
on mountain we recommend that only the

1824
02:47:48,52 --> 02:47:52,78
minimum amount of housing needs are
met that we don't exceed them.

1825
02:47:57,06 --> 02:48:03,30
We'd like no increases in density or
density density transfers to the upper

1826
02:48:03,31 --> 02:48:05,46
portions of Brisbane I.E.

1827
02:48:05,47 --> 02:48:10,58
The acres north of the sections of joy
in Thomas Avenue as these are sensitive

1828
02:48:10,59 --> 02:48:15,97
happen after areas while housing is an
important issue preserving the rare and

1829
02:48:15,98 --> 02:48:22,88
endangered small town is equally important.
And that's the thoughts from San Bruno

1830
02:48:22,89 --> 02:48:25,90
Mountain members that I
talked to and I was on

1831
02:48:25,91 --> 02:48:32,34
a personal note as Brisbane as jobs with
these mega projects that we have in the

1832
02:48:32,35 --> 02:48:39,01
pipeline. Out of syrup point
and here in the acre in. The.

1833
02:48:42,42 --> 02:48:48,98
Lands Thank you. Our rain and numbers
are going to go up with that

1834
02:48:49,45 --> 02:48:56,10
and so I think we need to look at transportation
needs before we get to that point

1835
02:48:56,11 --> 02:49:01,08
of adding the jobs are now to adding
the housing. And I still think that

1836
02:49:01,09 --> 02:49:07,98
a senior project senior housing is what
could work very well for us it would

1837
02:49:08,02 --> 02:49:13,97
address both the local needs
for seniors in town and by

1838
02:49:15,13 --> 02:49:20,23
design since they're not working they
should be low income or very low income

1839
02:49:20,24 --> 02:49:22,80
people and I think if we work with

1840
02:49:23,50 --> 02:49:29,35
a reputable not for profit builder we could
come up with numbers that could address

1841
02:49:29,36 --> 02:49:35,68
senior housing and. These would be people
that wouldn't need the transportation

1842
02:49:36,54 --> 02:49:42,42
or wouldn't have the same demands on the
transportation. Because they aren't as

1843
02:49:42,43 --> 02:49:47,93
mobile as people going to work every day
so that's my thoughts and I thank you for

1844
02:49:47,94 --> 02:49:54,79
your careful consideration thank you
very much. If there is nobody OK two

1845
02:49:54,80 --> 02:49:56,06
more OK.

1846
02:50:02,35 --> 02:50:08,41
Just quickly I wonder if if these numbers
are any meaning at all with all the

1847
02:50:08,42 --> 02:50:14,82
foreclosure houses out there.
Thank you very much. Please.

1848
02:50:22,37 --> 02:50:27,91
Cliff one six eleven. Great
conversation tonight.

1849
02:50:29,20 --> 02:50:36,12
Dealing with. Subject Matter this very
very sensitive talking about when talking

1850
02:50:36,13 --> 02:50:41,48
about the character of the town you have
to proceed with with great caution. As

1851
02:50:41,49 --> 02:50:47,82
a planning commissioner. Do you know one
of my goals for working with updated

1852
02:50:47,83 --> 02:50:53,47
housing I want to use the world with my
fellow commissioners and the staff to come

1853
02:50:53,48 --> 02:51:00,45
up with. The look at. The

1854
02:51:00,46 --> 02:51:07,19
little ability and singing ability
of our community. You know

1855
02:51:07,20 --> 02:51:08,16
that the area that

1856
02:51:08,17 --> 02:51:13,95
a lot of people talk about in regards to
the housing element that they have issues

1857
02:51:13,96 --> 02:51:20,52
with is the area right behind us.
The warehouses that the front

1858
02:51:21,02 --> 02:51:27,46
are park and. You know that was that
was. Something that we had a lot

1859
02:51:27,47 --> 02:51:33,39
a lot of discussion on you know our warehouses
that are in the core of our downtown

1860
02:51:33,88 --> 02:51:36,34
appropriate uses especially when we want

1861
02:51:37,01 --> 02:51:41,72
a freight forwarder. And so. As

1862
02:51:41,73 --> 02:51:47,46
a commission we felt that uses that
you would find in other downtown.

1863
02:51:48,70 --> 02:51:54,40
Driving downtown and those uses would
be more appropriate. You know guards to

1864
02:51:54,41 --> 02:51:59,81
affordable housing. That's
why I came to respect. As

1865
02:51:59,82 --> 02:52:03,77
a young man twenty years
ago I couldn't find

1866
02:52:03,78 --> 02:52:07,17
a place to stay so by that I could afford

1867
02:52:07,18 --> 02:52:11,86
a house from Brisbane and though I could
afford to live in it I could afford to buy

1868
02:52:11,87 --> 02:52:18,16
it actually had to rent out my house and
live in the little cottage and in the

1869
02:52:18,17 --> 02:52:21,99
backyard until I had established myself

1870
02:52:22,00 --> 02:52:28,82
a little bit more but you know Brisbane
has changed and I really feel that

1871
02:52:29,20 --> 02:52:36,12
a lot of those folks. That that you
know are part of what Brisbane

1872
02:52:36,13 --> 02:52:41,81
great again squeezed out and
for us to to to not look at

1873
02:52:41,99 --> 02:52:47,68
opportunities for affordable
housing. I think is

1874
02:52:47,70 --> 02:52:53,98
a mistake because I think diversity
is what is maybe bursting great and.

1875
02:52:56,68 --> 02:53:02,63
You know I can understand where people are
coming from with density and you know

1876
02:53:02,64 --> 02:53:06,100
what elements that you know affordable
housing my praying I mean these these

1877
02:53:07,01 --> 02:53:11,96
affordable units aren't on the projects
there they're affordable because for

1878
02:53:11,97 --> 02:53:18,87
smaller and more sustainable
so. That is that something

1879
02:53:18,88 --> 02:53:20,10
that I have

1880
02:53:20,11 --> 02:53:26,57
a lot of compassion for and I know that
you do too you know that we make that

1881
02:53:26,58 --> 02:53:33,42
commitment you you did the. Four lousy
ones not too long ago you don't have

1882
02:53:33,43 --> 02:53:37,80
units for these folks I mean what
good is that is that weren't.

1883
02:53:40,48 --> 02:53:46,85
Even another thing that the that the
Commission addressed for that the units that

1884
02:53:47,37 --> 02:53:54,04
border the park is public space and
we felt you know your time is up

1885
02:53:54,65 --> 02:53:54,83
and

1886
02:53:54,84 --> 02:53:59,60
a few more minutes for us so that's OK All
right any port you know how much more you

1887
02:53:59,61 --> 02:54:03,67
have about three more minutes three minutes
on is that kind of is the Council's

1888
02:54:03,68 --> 02:54:09,81
desire it's ten nineteen and it's going
to grandma got it so. Twenty five percent

1889
02:54:10,22 --> 02:54:17,10
public space and we're talking about
the core of our downtown and the

1890
02:54:17,11 --> 02:54:23,86
core of our city having this twenty
five percent additional public space I

1891
02:54:23,87 --> 02:54:25,65
think. Has

1892
02:54:26,47 --> 02:54:32,98
a great feature that could make our
town better these you know really

1893
02:54:33,05 --> 02:54:39,74
looking at it this area isn't something new
we had Fred can come out and we had the

1894
02:54:39,75 --> 02:54:42,99
workshops and you know
really a lot of what is in

1895
02:54:43,00 --> 02:54:49,43
a staffer for work comes from the community
his community generated. As you know

1896
02:54:49,44 --> 02:54:49,59
I'm

1897
02:54:49,60 --> 02:54:56,64
a very strong advocate of high school respect
Now whether or not you know you take

1898
02:54:56,72 --> 02:54:58,63
part of this public space to make it

1899
02:54:58,64 --> 02:55:05,37
a high school that's for another
nice discussion but. If this were

1900
02:55:05,38 --> 02:55:12,13
to evolve and become what could potentially
be mixed use with this additional

1901
02:55:12,14 --> 02:55:18,62
public space it does provide an opportunity.
Well perhaps very few opportunities

1902
02:55:18,69 --> 02:55:25,52
exist. So. I know my time
is limited cut it short

1903
02:55:25,53 --> 02:55:32,07
here we don't have another night of discussion
and I look forward to your comments

1904
02:55:32,11 --> 02:55:37,86
and what you have to say at the next minute
Thank you very much for all the hard

1905
02:55:37,90 --> 02:55:42,64
work you do at planning
commission be patient that OK.

1906
02:55:44,86 --> 02:55:49,69
Anybody else. Want Council discussion.

1907
02:55:53,81 --> 02:55:58,65
You know ninety minutes Yes I don't
think that's really long enough for

1908
02:55:58,66 --> 02:56:04,17
a substantial discussion of myself.
This is picked we should continue the

1909
02:56:04,18 --> 02:56:10,34
discussion to next meeting. I'm open
so would need when would that be.

1910
02:56:13,86 --> 02:56:20,67
June fifteenth. What else do we have
I mean agenda for that night nothing

1911
02:56:20,68 --> 02:56:27,01
or just some silly business. Yeah I
think we're pretty clear on that even.

1912
02:56:34,65 --> 02:56:39,04
Yeah I think we can pretty much
clear that. Give you maybe

1913
02:56:39,05 --> 02:56:46,03
a couple hours to wrestle with this. And
maybe we can take some more public and put

1914
02:56:46,04 --> 02:56:47,34
it first and then have

1915
02:56:47,35 --> 02:56:53,59
a dialogue if you know at that point. OK.

1916
02:57:01,81 --> 02:57:08,12
So this neither shall continue
not to go to staff report. You

1917
02:57:08,83 --> 02:57:15,58
know report. Today answer me
and also remember May and I'm

1918
02:57:15,59 --> 02:57:21,45
hearing council matters. And well I
just want to say I got reelected on

1919
02:57:21,46 --> 02:57:27,59
a bag called for and Hundred Years
Naomi Partridge got reelected for

1920
02:57:27,63 --> 02:57:34,37
a laugh. So. Yes regional
housing needs assessment come

1921
02:57:34,38 --> 02:57:41,06
from no Actually let me let me share
something our county definitely is

1922
02:57:41,23 --> 02:57:47,23
actually is the only county
that was able to ride on having

1923
02:57:47,24 --> 02:57:53,54
a bag do all the work and decide how many
Which city what should have we worked it

1924
02:57:53,55 --> 02:57:54,80
at the county level there was

1925
02:57:54,81 --> 02:58:00,78
a committee that day work and I believe
we were involved I was involved from city

1926
02:58:01,60 --> 02:58:07,10
as anybody you were you were going to some
of the meetings right. The me here for

1927
02:58:07,11 --> 02:58:10,61
the Rainbow meetings that all the
Community Development director

1928
02:58:10,62 --> 02:58:15,43
a community did council member Barnes was
also right so that's why it happened.

1929
02:58:16,58 --> 02:58:23,20
Throughout the county. But. Is
Dalton made up of what is yes the

1930
02:58:23,21 --> 02:58:24,23
genesis is that

1931
02:58:24,46 --> 02:58:29,56
a bag yes next time this comes around
you're going to be very vociferous about.

1932
02:58:30,93 --> 02:58:34,67
Smaller say they should have it's out of
order number unit actually just just for

1933
02:58:34,68 --> 02:58:36,84
it so the viewing public understands

1934
02:58:36,85 --> 02:58:39,28
a bag does not set the numbers
and they come through

1935
02:58:39,29 --> 02:58:43,71
a bag they are really set through the
formulas state at the State of the state

1936
02:58:43,72 --> 02:58:46,37
level so sometimes a bag gets

1937
02:58:46,38 --> 02:58:52,57
a bad rap on this. The body was all said
and done in about four years or something

1938
02:58:52,58 --> 02:58:56,93
new state will dissolve completely
and will be our own entity thing.

1939
02:59:00,16 --> 02:59:02,28
And camps. For

1940
02:59:02,29 --> 02:59:08,76
a communication number two. Now on
the motion to adjourn Thanks I can

1941
02:59:09,47 --> 02:59:12,64
on paper I. Thank you.